Lord Nouda Imp
22 Dec 05 - 00:21
What do you think of the Other Place? I heard that it's filled with perpetual chaos and swirling energies :o
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Ptolemy's Gate
22 Dec 05 - 08:43
:lol:
yea..........i'm not really sure, but i'm going to answer your question with another. In the second book bartimaeus talked about his youth...when he had a more grander entrance in the pentacle....if so how was he created from the other place....how did anyone know his name??
yea..........i'm not really sure, but i'm going to answer your question with another. In the second book bartimaeus talked about his youth...when he had a more grander entrance in the pentacle....if so how was he created from the other place....how did anyone know his name??
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Nathaniel Djinni
22 Dec 05 - 09:16
POSSIBLE SPOILER:
doesn't he say in the third book that the magicians would use some spells to locate a piece of 'the Other Place' and summon that and then give it a name which he is then tied to for eternity. So he didn't have a name when he was first summoned but now has the name Bartimaeus becaue of the magician who summoned him first
doesn't he say in the third book that the magicians would use some spells to locate a piece of 'the Other Place' and summon that and then give it a name which he is then tied to for eternity. So he didn't have a name when he was first summoned but now has the name Bartimaeus becaue of the magician who summoned him first
24 Dec 05 - 11:39
if he did say that, then that makes sense
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Shadow 7 Foliot
28 Dec 05 - 17:14
I dont remember that, but it is a very realistic theory to the trillogy.Nathaniel wrote: POSSIBLE SPOILER:
doesn't he say in the third book that the magicians would use some spells to locate a piece of 'the Other Place' and summon that and then give it a name which he is then tied to for eternity. So he didn't have a name when he was first summoned but now has the name Bartimaeus becaue of the magician who summoned him first
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To prove my point I lifted one of his fingers and methodically picked his nose. He uttered a squawk of protest. "Stop that!"'
I lowered the arm. "That's not all I can do if I put your mind to it"'
-Bartimaeus
To prove my point I lifted one of his fingers and methodically picked his nose. He uttered a squawk of protest. "Stop that!"'
I lowered the arm. "That's not all I can do if I put your mind to it"'
-Bartimaeus
Deleted User Ghul
29 Dec 05 - 02:57
i dont rember that from the third book and seeing as how i finished it today i think i would remeber
Krim Horla
29 Dec 05 - 04:30
He mentions it in like one sentence, I remember that part.
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Gutya Mite
7 Jan 06 - 15:36
He says:
Bartimaeus in 'Ptolemy's Gate' wrote:Names, names, names! Now they're the ultimate restriction. They're the worst curse of all. Each one is a sentence of slavery. Here we are one - we have no names. But what do the magicians do? They reach in with their summons; their words draw us out, peice by screaming peice. As each peice passes through, it is defined: it gains a name and powers of its own, but is seperated from the rest. What happens then? Like performing monkeys, we do tricks to please our masters, lest they hurt our fragile essence. Even when we return here we are never safe. Once a name has been bestowed we can be called again, and yet again, until our essence is worn away.
Deleted User Ghul
7 Jan 06 - 23:10
thank you for thatGutya wrote: He says:
Bartimaeus in 'Ptolemy's Gate' wrote:Names, names, names! Now they're the ultimate restriction. They're the worst curse of all. Each one is a sentence of slavery. Here we are one - we have no names. But what do the magicians do? They reach in with their summons; their words draw us out, peice by screaming peice. As each peice passes through, it is defined: it gains a name and powers of its own, but is seperated from the rest. What happens then? Like performing monkeys, we do tricks to please our masters, lest they hurt our fragile essence. Even when we return here we are never safe. Once a name has been bestowed we can be called again, and yet again, until our essence is worn away.
8 Jan 06 - 17:00
indeed, infact ive been re-reading the bartimaeus chapters, " Alexandria" ones, i read that bit last night! :barti:
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Gutya Mite
10 Jan 06 - 19:15
yes, in my opinion those chapters where some really good parts..:William Gladstone:. wrote: indeed, infact ive been re-reading the bartimaeus chapters, " Alexandria" ones, i read that bit last night! :barti:
Variq Foliot
14 Jan 06 - 15:28
I disagree with lord nouda in saying that it is filled with chaos,bartimaeus says"whats earth if not one big mess?Chaos,violence and strife wherever you look.Its much more peaceful here"
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14 Jan 06 - 15:40
Chaos doesn't neccesarily mean it isn't peaceful.
There's no order to the Other Place, but it's still peaceful.dictionary.com wrote:A condition or place of great disorder or confusion.
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Post Higher Spirit
16 Jan 06 - 16:25
What about the time aspect? Bartimaeus says "Time doesn't exist in the Other Place; if it does, in a non linear way..." Having trouble imagining that.
As for the Other Place, in concise it's a vast (infinite?) respositiry of magic. Where all essences merge in chaos. (They just don't like order; when Kitty tried to do so, they tormented her.) And they share their thoughts and memories.
And, new thought, Bartimaeus says summonings and names give the spirits shape. If they aren't summoned will they have a persona? Or even counsciousness?
As for the Other Place, in concise it's a vast (infinite?) respositiry of magic. Where all essences merge in chaos. (They just don't like order; when Kitty tried to do so, they tormented her.) And they share their thoughts and memories.
And, new thought, Bartimaeus says summonings and names give the spirits shape. If they aren't summoned will they have a persona? Or even counsciousness?
Shame of the Super Son
16 Jan 06 - 17:19
When you fall asleep, time in your dreams is entirely different to real time. Each dream lasts a mere 20 seconds or so, but days can pass in the dreams.
Time can also appear to run at different speeds - Einstein: 'If you sit on a hot stove for a minute, it seems like an hour. If you sit with a nice girl for an hour, it seems like a minute.'
That's the closest we can come to understanding time in the Other Place.
If a spirit isn't summoned, it isn't defined from the rest of the Other Place, and so has no conciousness.
Time can also appear to run at different speeds - Einstein: 'If you sit on a hot stove for a minute, it seems like an hour. If you sit with a nice girl for an hour, it seems like a minute.'
That's the closest we can come to understanding time in the Other Place.
If a spirit isn't summoned, it isn't defined from the rest of the Other Place, and so has no conciousness.
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Nathaniel Djinni
16 Jan 06 - 18:57
I think Sentynel is correct
Post Higher Spirit
17 Jan 06 - 13:38
Sentynel wrote: When you fall asleep, time in your dreams is entirely different to real time. Each dream lasts a mere 20 seconds or so, but days can pass in the dreams.
Time can also appear to run at different speeds - Einstein: 'If you sit on a hot stove for a minute, it seems like an hour. If you sit with a nice girl for an hour, it seems like a minute.'
That's the closest we can come to understanding time in the Other Place.
If a spirit isn't summoned, it isn't defined from the rest of the Other Place, and so has no conciousness.
Shame of the Super Son
17 Jan 06 - 15:56
No problem.
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12 Feb 06 - 21:45
:P
Its.... a ...... place, like heaven?
Its.... a ...... place, like heaven?
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12 Feb 06 - 22:14
Almost a month late there, Gladstone. :P
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