Would Bartimaeus have risked it?

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nathanielandbartimaeus wrote: When I started this topic, I really thought Bart would'nt mind dying with Nat, thought he liked Nat (only towards the end) as much as Ptolemy, but now I am not that sure. They did have a strong bond, but I am sure they would'nt risk their lives for each other. Mightbe if they had known each other for a longer time...
As Barty said, and as I said before, "We do have a bond of sorts, but for the present there are limits to it" Barty would've protected Nat if he wouldn't get hurt in the process.
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nathanielandbartimaeus wrote: When I started this topic, I really thought Bart would'nt mind dying with Nat, thought he liked Nat (only towards the end) as much as Ptolemy, but now I am not that sure. They did have a strong bond, but I am sure they would'nt risk their lives for each other. Mightbe if they had known each other for a longer time...
As Barty said, and as I said before, "We do have a bond of sorts, but for the present there are limits to it" Barty would've protected Nat if he wouldn't get hurt in the process.
The limit to their bonds was said before Nat summoned Bart into his body. Personally, I feel they started liking each other only after Kitty's trip to OP & when they shared the same body. But it hurts me to think Bart would have jumped into a vat of boiling petrol (???- or something similar to that) for Kitty but not the same for Nat. Just because Kitty followed him to OP. Nat a lot more but in different ways. He deserved the same love from Bart.
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I think that in that situation, given the choice, Bartimaeus would have left. Not because he wanted Nat to die, but because Nat would have died either way. Why would he stay and have both of them die, when he could save himself. But I'm not sure whether or not Bartimaeus would have sacrificed himself to save Nat (because there is a chance he would have, I think that he sort of liked Nat near the end).


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Well of course, he kinda like living, ya know?
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Before Nat dismissed Barti and saved his life, no Barti wouldnt have stayed with him.
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barty thought he was doomed until Nat made the decision.
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nathanielandbartimaeus wrote:
Nectanebo,Nov 22 2007 wrote: I reckon Barti would have left Nat's body if he was the one with chioce. I mean, it's between the choice of one of them dying, and both of them dying, even Nat agreed that if there was any way Barti could survive, he would make him take it, like he did. Why should Barti be condemned to die just because it would be fair to Nat because he's going to die anyway? Like Barti said, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly, or defiant you are, at the end of the day, you're also dead.
True, but Bart would surely have died for Ptolemy. He knew chances of defeating 20 djinni's would be less than nil, yet he was ready to risk it. Though Bart thinks dying is too permanent for his liking, he had no hesitation where Ptolemy was concerned.
Ok, my question changes. If Nat was in the exact same position as Ptolemy was in, would Bart have accepted Nat's last gift willingly or unwillingly?
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Willingly or not isn't Bart's choice.
If it was he would have faught, and died, with Ptolemy.
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I agree it wasn't in bart's position to make a choice. But he did say he accepted Ptolemy's last gift unwillingly. So did he accept Nat's unwillingly too? Or was he happy to escape with his life?
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I don't think Bartimaeus would have sacrificed himself for Nathaniel. He simply assumed Nathaniel wasn't going to release him, and so accepted his fate. But you see, when Nathaniel DID release him, Bartimaeus accepted it way easier than he did with Ptolemy. He would have sacrificed himself for Kitty, though, for obvious reasons.
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I'm not so sure about Kitty.
Well, I think he would, but I also think he'd have reservations about it.
He'd have no reservations, no hesitant thoughts if it were Ptolemy.

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Obviously, as he didn't when it WAS Ptolemy. I think he saw Kitty as a second Ptolemy, if you like, because she was the one person trying to carry on his work; ergo Bartimaeus would have sacrificed himself for her.
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Something symbolic in that. It's what fake freedom does for you.
Yeah, he said something about being ready to jump into a vat of hot oil (or was it something else?) for Kitty. Pity Nat didn't get the same respect from Bart. He deserved it as much.
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Don't remember that, but I've gone through the first two books already, PG's right behind.
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Yes, I remember him saying something along those lines, but the fact remains that he would have sacrificed himself for her, there's no doubt.
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Yup, not those words but the meaning behind them.
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Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome.
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Bartimaeus is really nice even for someone to supposedly trust you is not much of a reason to give your like for someone would we for a friend like kitty? maybe ptolemy though. So i think he would hesitantly stick with him. Bartimaeus is brave to different bravery at different times

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