^I agree with Sent. I find Windows something of a disappointment, after having used Ubuntu Linux for so long.

And remember, it's full name is GNU Linux

How many people can honestly say they have used Vista and OSX.5 frequently for all kinds of processes and with all kinds of apps?

I doubt anyone can or very few, however those who I have spoken too who have done the above say that both Vista and OSX.5 are both good at different things and that they have no preference over the other.

Lets not get into a flaming war if none of us have used both on a frequent basis :P

Random wrote: And remember, it's full name is GNU/Linux

Only according to Richard Stallman.

Nathaniel wrote: How many people can honestly say they have used Vista and OSX.5 frequently for all kinds of processes and with all kinds of apps?

I doubt anyone can or very few, however those who I have spoken too who have done the above say that both Vista and OSX.5 are both good at different things and that they have no preference over the other.

Lets not get into a flaming war if none of us have used both on a frequent basis :P

Might be. But a PC gives better cost for performance than a Mac.

Wrong.
Outfit a Dell (or your choice) to have what a Mac can, it'll only be a couple hundred or so.
Quite acceptable, considering iWork, iLife, Leopard, oh, and that little thing called reliability...
If Windows users can remember what it means.

Dansariki wrote: Wrong.
Outfit a Dell (or your choice) to have what a Mac can, it'll only be a couple hundred or so.
Quite acceptable, considering iWork, iLife, Leopard, oh, and that little thing called reliability...
If Windows users can remember what it means.

*sigh*

I trust you have used Viusta a lot because for most people Vista has never crashed while OSX.5 has crashed several times, I have never had a BSD in Vista and actually never had a problem with drivers, crashes, hanging etc, apparent from once when i deleted a file by accident.

Last year, in my computer class, the Mac OS computers lagged and froze a bunch of times so we had to do something else since we couldn't use the computers anymore.

Other than that, Mac's mostly good. It even had a easy-to-use "formatting pallete" in Microsoft Word.

Meanwhile, my computer's not doing so great. It downgraded from an effective Windows XP Home Edition all the way to a trashy "counterfeit" Windows XP Professional. Darn Windows Genuine Advantage... <_<

You can search and delete the files. Or even edit the registry. If not, there are several workarounds floating on the net.

I've used XP, Vista, Tiger, and Leopard extensively.

I've only had one BSD, on XP, and I have to admit- they don't happen that often.
Vista is slow. That's my major beef.
Many drivers issues. Yes, you can just install them, but I didn't have to with Leopard.
Everything I plug into a Mac, worked.
Vista, maybe, maybe fifty percent on first try.
If I had patience, I'd like Vista more.
I use Leopard, so I don't.
I'm sorry, I don't want to have to prove myself smarter than the computer every morning.
All that "The Computers and only as smart as who's using them" is bullsh.t, once one picks a definition of intelligence, they're either far smarter than us, or about as sharp as a bag of wet leather.

Okay, I don't like Vista much, but I would like to point out that if you turn off the unnecessary 3D-spinny-rotatey, it's not actually a slow OS. It's a bit slower than XP, but not as much as it's made out to be. Especially with the whole "zomg RAM hog" thing. It preloads stuff into any otherwise unused RAM if it thinks you might use it so it loads quicker. What exactly is the point of unused RAM?
I can't speak for Vista, but I've had very little in the way of driver problems on XP - I think the only thing I've had driver problems with is a vintage-99 joystick. I'm aware Vista had lots of driver troubles on release, but that's to be expected. Driver support is a lot better now.


(If you were wondering, my gripe with Vista is that it adds very little substance above XP. DX10 is a gimmick, and it's been hacked into XP anyway, I do believe. The added security features are nice if you're a regular user/idjit with no clue about security, but irritating if you're not. Aero is unnecessary spinny-rotatey.)

macs dont even need drivers for most things.

Dansariki wrote: All that "The Computers and only as smart as who's using them" is bullsh.t, once one picks a definition of intelligence, they're either far smarter than us, or about as sharp as a bag of wet leather.

Unfortunately AI has yet to be invented :P

Abel wrote:macs dont even need drivers for most things.

Yes they do, Macs still need drivers for things to work, just fewer things work on macs, less drivers needed, easier to find.

Macs still use a registry system, however it think it might be slightly nicer and quicker than the Windows type of registry.

Nat's (sort of) right; OSX still needs drivers. In the same way that Windows (Vista and XP) have libraries of built-in drivers that can be installed on-demand, OSX does the same. The difference is OSX doesn't tell you it's doing it and thus give you the choice of using different ones, and then pretends it doesn't *need* drivers.

DX 10 is gimmick? Tell that to crysis.

well, i can still use my friend's printer thingy without installing a load of stuff so im prefectly happy :)

Post wrote: DX 10 is gimmick? Tell that to crysis.

Certainly. Crysis, you are a poor excuse for a game with stupidly demanding system requirements, and somebody forgot to add the gameplay to the second half of the game. You don't even look *that* great.

I wasn't that amazed with Crysis when i played the demo, didn't even bother wasting money on it :P

Wow.
OS X already has the drivers, people.
When Apple release big and small updats, it adds more.
I don't think I ever had a driver problem on XP, so far as I can recall.

You main beef with Vista is mine, it ain't that much better than XP.
Even if you turn off Aero (Microsoft's ripoff of Aqua), then why the hell did you buy it in the first place?
Turning off everything Microsoft said made Vista great turns it into money wasted.
Five years and fifty million lines of code for what? Something that looks just a wee bit better than XP (with Aero), stil hogs RAM, and that takes up space on you hard drive. Oh, and something that has an ungodly number of compatibiliy issues.

Crysis is good.
Not great.
Something of a Vista in itself, really.

And it seem seem you can indeed download DirectX 10 for XP.
Created by a 19 year old, too...

Wadayaknow, another reason not to buy Vista.
I've persuaded eight teahcers over the last school year not to go Vista; three went Mac.

Dansariki wrote: Wow.
OS X already has the drivers, people.
When Apple release big and small updats, it adds more.
I don't think I ever had a driver problem on XP, so far as I can recall.

You main beef with Vista is mine, it ain't that much better than XP.
Even if you turn off Aero (Microsoft's ripoff of Aqua), then why the hell did you buy it in the first place?
Turning off everything Microsoft said made Vista great turns it into money wasted.
Five years and fifty million lines of code for what? Something that looks just a wee bit better than XP (with Aero), stil hogs RAM, and that takes up space on you hard drive. Oh, and something that has an ungodly number of compatibiliy issues.

Crysis is good.
Not great.
Something of a Vista in itself, really.

And it seem seem you can indeed download DirectX 10 for XP.
Created by a 19 year old, too...

Wadayaknow, another reason not to buy Vista.
I've persuaded eight teahcers over the last school year not to go Vista; three went Mac.

Mac Fan Boy Alert!!! :D

So, Dansariki, are you saying that Windows users should be better off with XP and those other versions (excluding Vista)?