Fuzzlet?
Wow.
And yeah, he swam a lot to get his stamina up.
Ok, athletic is pushing it, but that just proves my point further.

Dansariki wrote:If my theory's right, Ramuthra is incredibly strong, needing 3 strong magicians to control him (Lovelace's master was dead, remember).
So, if a strong willed and athletic kid can summon Bartimaeus, and a reasonably strong magician can summon an afrit with about the same effort, needing three magicians means Ramuthra is seriously powerful.

They didn't even try and control Ramuthra, merely trapped it in a pentacle. Lovelace had the Amulet to protect him from it.

FuzzyLobster wrote:Err... I'm pretty sure reality-warping powers would trump Nouda in most situations...

Yeah Ramuthras way more powerful. And dansariki thats how how I thought of djinn levels, the next one to be expotentialy higher than the first. And at the begining of each catagory (imp, foliot, djinn, afrit, marid) it would start over.

Mine concept came from their description.
And, come on, Nouda's got one helluva history.
And thanks Sent, that proves my point a little more :)
If they don't bother with trying to control it, hell, should say something there, reality warping powers or not.

Is a spirits power derived from its proximity to the centre of the other place seeing as the very powerfull spirit in the amulet is described as powerful due to it being ' from the heart of the other place'

Dansariki wrote:Fuzzlet?
Wow.

*Insert snide comment about Dansariki's girl*

@Asmoral: The defining point of the "heart of the Other Place" is sorta unknown and/or disputed.

I rather assumed that was metaphorical, rather than literal.

Mmm. But so is "heart of the ocean". And there's sorta a place for that...

Sentynel wrote:I rather assumed that was metaphorical, rather than literal.

Ditto.
I just took it to mean "the freakin' thing's strong."

yeh, i was just openingup a new theory, its all subjective though isnt it. Bart n Nat ended them both so it just shows Brain > Brawn

no, the blood is on the parchment. i dont think it counts.

I fail entirely to see how that has anything to do with either of them.
Perhaps you mean the Golem?
In which case, topic post error?

I think she was replying to the bottom post on the first page.

Ah. In which case, nope, wouldn't apply, the blood's restricted to animation, it's strengths against spirits come from it's nature, not the parchment.

First off I'd like to say Ramuthra > Nouda > Marids. Ramuthra's rift thingy FTW.
The only reason Nouda was summoned with one person is that that person thought
he could do it alone and that his willpower would suppress the demon. If he was
doing a conventional summoning we have no real idea how many it'd take.

Didn't Nouda know of the plan prior to the summoning? I think its because he came voluntarily & therefore it was easier than it would otherwise have been.

True. Faquarl had told him everything, preparing him for the experience.
Weasley bastard.

I personally feel that both were of equal power. The summoning horn caused the "rift" from which Ramuthra came through. Nouda was summoned into the body of Makepeace and pretty much took over from there. While Ramuthra had the power to distort reality, Nouda also was extremely powerful. Ramuthra also wasn't contained in a body when he was fighting. Nouda was and was still able to cause enough damage that the battle which ensued required the seven league boots, the staff of Gladstone, and the ultimate death of Nat. I dont think that Ramuthra was significantly more powerful. In fact I feel that Nouda was of equal power.

Now honestly, the real question is how the flooping 'eck they got the spirit into the Amulet in the first place. If it can overpower Ramuthra and Nouda, I'm very unsure about what that Shaman had to do. Maybe the Summoning Horn had something or other to do with it?

Leber wrote:Now honestly, the real question is how the flooping 'eck they got the spirit into the Amulet in the first place. If it can overpower Ramuthra and Nouda, I'm very unsure about what that Shaman had to do. Maybe the Summoning Horn had something or other to do with it?

Probably with a lot of incredibly powerful magicians using special techniques lost by the time of Nat.