Ah shaddup, it's not like star wars

.....Did you not just read the comparison on the previous pages?

And it's a lot worse than that...

I read a synopsis is Star Wars and it isn't like Inheritance. So there.

David Cat wrote:Ah so what if it's like Star Wars.

From this thread where Vinr and I detailed a large number of similarities in the plots.

Ah but Luke didn't have a dragon now did he?

No, no he didn't. He did, however, have a spaceship, and flying it he managed to have all sorts of adventures, such as striking a severe blow in battle against the Empire (destroying the Death Star), and visiting the wise master of an order believed lost, hiding in a distant land (Yoda on Dagobah).

Well, a spaceship isn't a character, is it?

Yes yes yes, Saphira is indeed possibly the only original character.

Other than that, you and Paolini have nothing to argue with.

No, it isn't, but combine the spaceship with the supporting cast (Han Solo and his ship the Millenium Falcon especially) and you get pretty much the same thing.

Nero wrote:Yes yes yes, Saphira is indeed possibly the only original character.

Other than that, you and Paolini have nothing to argue with.

oh but I do.
In Star Wars, the big villain was the main character's father.
In Inheritance, the big villain's enslaved lackey was the main character's brother.

In Star Wars, the big villain was one of the main characters.
In Inheritance, the big villain is an entirely unseen character.

Star Wars is in space in the future.
Inheritance is in a medieval fantasy land.

In Star Wars, there are a lot of supporting characters including two irritating robots and some big hairy monster.
In Inheritance, the main characters usually travel alone.

Objection: the big villain's original lackey was the main character's father. The fact that he gets replaced with the main character's brother is irrelevant. There's still the "revelation: I am your close relation!" scene.

Objection: the Emperor gets very little screen time until the third film of the original trilogy. He's not in the first at all and only appears briefly on a message hologram in the second. It's only in the third he appears directly, when his fortress (the Second Death Star) is attacked by the rebels. Much the same as will happen in the final Inheritance books, I should think..

Objection: Star Wars is set "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away". Science fiction is effectively a type of fantasy anyway.

Objection: supporting characters appear whenever necessary in Inheritance - Saphira, Brom, Murtagh pre-Dark Side, Arya, et al fill much the same roles as Ben Kenobi, Han Solo and Chewbacca, R2-D2 and C-3PO, Leia et al.

Objection overruled: Yes, it has a close relation revelation, so do a lot of books/films.

Objection overruled: I was referring to Vader, he was the big villain was he not?

Objection overruled: Whatever, it's still pretty damn futuristic. And the setting is COMPLETELY different.

Objection overruled: Saphira and Arya are hardly supporting characters, dear. Murtagh is like the annoying robots? I think not.

Certainly, lots of stories use that particular trope. It is not, however, something that differentiates Inheritance from Star Wars. Claiming the use of a different relation (taking up the job after the same one died, of course) makes it different is grasping at straws.

No. No he wasn't. Vader is the equivalent of Morzan/Murtagh - the powerful right-hand man of the evil Emperor, sent out to do his bidding on all the risky jobs while the Emperor stays home in comfort. Of course, the Emperor is still more powerful than his right hand man or the right hand man would kill him and take over.

Sure, broadly speaking, one's in space and one's on a fantasy world. That doesn't make them actually that different - both settings allow much the same things - magic, ancient, powerful swords, fallen orders of peacekeepers, evil Empires, that sort of thing.

They're as much supporting characters as Han Solo and Leia are. I'm not saying there's a direct equivalent of all the supporting cast - there isn't - there's just people that fulfill the same functions.

Yeah...but one is in space, the other is in a medieval fantasy world...they can't be the same

*ahem*

Phail. :P

And try reading the novels again. The prose will seem...shaky. Ya know?

So your argument that Inheritance is wholly, completely different from Star Wars is that "never mind that the plots are damn near identical, one's in space and the other isn't so they're COMPLETELY DIFFERENT"? Inheritance is Star Wars recycled NOT IN SPACE, complete with various bits of fantasy stuff equivalent to all Star Wars' sci fi bits, but because it's broadly a different setting (which isn't lifted from Tolkien or anything!) it's okay to lift the plot wholesale from Star Wars?

It wouldn't even be such a problem if Inheritance's writing, characters and the like were brilliant. They're not.

But they are though.

Like the Sword of Shannara. Easily follows Lord of the Rings, but

A) Is brilliant writing, and at least somewhat different characters.

B) At least the author admits he models after Tolkien.

C) And.... wait a sec....

wrote:But they are though.

.....hehehe, nice one.

Nero wrote:Like the Sword of Shannara. Easily follows Lord of the Rings, but

A) Is brilliant writing, and at least somewhat different characters.

B) At least the author admits he models after Tolkien.

C) And.... wait a sec....

wrote:But they are though.

.....hehehe, nice one.

But they are...

David Cat, you can't just say "but they are though" without any proof, reason, etc.

Brooks has redeemed himself in my eyes. In some ways. He's stolen from other people too.

But he also praised Paolini (and vice versa).

On a Star Wars note, OMG FORCE UNLEASHED!

[+] Spoiler

Apparently, Darth Vader's apprentice starts the Rebellion!