Nathaniel's childhood

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Dansariki Higher Spirit
5 Nov 08 - 20:45
The Bartimaeus Trilogy Universe.
Idiot.
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Nero Higher Spirit
5 Nov 08 - 23:38
Dansariki wrote:The Bartimaeus Trilogy Universe.
Idiot.
Ah, you can't take a joke can you dear Datsyuk?
5 Nov 08 - 23:40
The joke was rubbish :P
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Dansariki Higher Spirit
5 Nov 08 - 23:45
What DC said :)
Knowledge is Power, Power Corrupts, and Corruption Destroys.

Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome.
~Isaac Asimov
There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
~Benjamin Franklin
You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea.
~Medgar Evers

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Nero Higher Spirit
5 Nov 08 - 23:50
David Cat wrote:The joke was rubbish :P
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The hell if I know. =D
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Dansariki Higher Spirit
6 Nov 08 - 23:52
Haha, typical.
I love doing it too , though.
Knowledge is Power, Power Corrupts, and Corruption Destroys.

Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome.
~Isaac Asimov
There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
~Benjamin Franklin
You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea.
~Medgar Evers

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29 Nov 08 - 13:15
I always liked Nathaniel (even in the 2nd book though he was annoying). It's mainly because of his childhood, you feel so sorry for him. Plus, forced to do things he didn't liked.
"If the bee disappears from the surface of the earth, man would have no more than four years to live. No more bees, no more pollination ... no more men!" - Einstein
"I like quoting Einstein. Know why? Because nobody dares contradict you." - Studs Terkel.
<@Ximenez> Sentynel: But i have a life? No. Qed.
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Umbreo Utukku
18 Dec 08 - 02:43
You have to like his ambition and bravery in the AoS, but not where it takes him in bk 2
When I set out from the boy's attic window, my head was so full of competing plans and complex strategems that I didn't look where I was going and flew straight into a chimney.

Something symbolic in that. It's what fake freedom does for you.
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Apollo Marid
18 Dec 08 - 02:47
I dunno, he seemed pretty damn well off in Book 2.
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Umbreo Utukku
18 Dec 08 - 02:49
By "takes him" I mean morally, as in his personality.
When I set out from the boy's attic window, my head was so full of competing plans and complex strategems that I didn't look where I was going and flew straight into a chimney.

Something symbolic in that. It's what fake freedom does for you.
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Apollo Marid
18 Dec 08 - 02:51
He was confident and happy.

Damn, ninjaed by posting frequency law.
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Umbreo Utukku
18 Dec 08 - 02:54
He was also deceitful and selfish, but it's ok, because he's better in bk 3
When I set out from the boy's attic window, my head was so full of competing plans and complex strategems that I didn't look where I was going and flew straight into a chimney.

Something symbolic in that. It's what fake freedom does for you.
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Apollo Marid
18 Dec 08 - 02:55
Yes, morally.

But he's also dead by the end.
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Umbreo Utukku
18 Dec 08 - 02:59
Doesn't matter, you still like the way he turned out.
When I set out from the boy's attic window, my head was so full of competing plans and complex strategems that I didn't look where I was going and flew straight into a chimney.

Something symbolic in that. It's what fake freedom does for you.
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Apollo Marid
18 Dec 08 - 03:00
I do, from a moral standpoint.
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Umbreo Utukku
18 Dec 08 - 03:13
Yes, so it's irrelevant that he died. Everyone still likes him by the end, despite book 2.
When I set out from the boy's attic window, my head was so full of competing plans and complex strategems that I didn't look where I was going and flew straight into a chimney.

Something symbolic in that. It's what fake freedom does for you.
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Apollo Marid
18 Dec 08 - 03:15
It is not irrelevant. The death of a character certainly changes the way one views him/her.
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Umbreo Utukku
18 Dec 08 - 03:20
I guess it makes him seem more noble, but he'd already realised what he'd been like as John Mandrake (mainly because of Miss Lutyens and Kitty) and so reverted back to being Nathaniel. Him telling Kitty his name signified this.
When I set out from the boy's attic window, my head was so full of competing plans and complex strategems that I didn't look where I was going and flew straight into a chimney.

Something symbolic in that. It's what fake freedom does for you.
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18 Dec 08 - 16:29
Yeah, I have to agree. Nat was bad in book 2, but he made up in the end & thats what matters.
"If the bee disappears from the surface of the earth, man would have no more than four years to live. No more bees, no more pollination ... no more men!" - Einstein
"I like quoting Einstein. Know why? Because nobody dares contradict you." - Studs Terkel.
<@Ximenez> Sentynel: But i have a life? No. Qed.
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Apollo Marid
18 Dec 08 - 19:02
Yes, he was bad, mean, hateful, but well off.

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