Lol, Sentynel.
BTW, speaking of politicians who are cowboys, Canada has the Robot some call Stephen Harper. He has an alliance with Bush called the Idiot Cowboy Politician Alliance, aka the ICPA for short. And I'm insane.
*Goes off and eats cookies with Artemis*

at least he's slightly better than paul martin. and all this talk of cookies is making me hungry.

Here, have a cookie then. Yummy, huh?
And Paul Martin sucked, but he didn't have anything to do with the Sponsorship Scandal. That was Chretien and a few others. Chretien was horrible.

wrote:What the hell was he supposed to do? "People of America. You know that I am a cowboy, but what you don't know is that I am peacenik cowboy. Sure, the Petagon has a big hole in it right now, nothing a bit o' concrete won't solve. And who needs the world trade centre, anyway? We'll build a 'Interplanetary trade centre' once those Nasa guys colonize mars. No biggie, no need to go invading people, you see?" America would have torn him apart.

You know, ummm, not attacking countries that had nothing to do with the Twin Towers (like say, Iraq) would've been good for starters. Then not thinking of things like "No Child Left Behind" or the Patriot Act would've made him even more likeable.

Like I said, a Tic-Tac wouldn't have done those things.

wrote:Actually, it's just not public perception. All governments are corrupt because people are basically corrupt. Everyone's mostly out for themselves.

Well, how else would one expect for the magicians to stay in power?

For a second I thought I saw the Two Towers...

Yes, it is. I hate it when people try to make out that they're basically good and cirmcumstance has driven them to do bad things.

"Oh, I went to a party so I couldn't study. That's why I cheated.."

wrote:You know, ummm, not attacking countries that had nothing to do with the Twin Towers (like say, Iraq) would've been good for starters. Then not thinking of things like "No Child Left Behind" or the Patriot Act would've made him even more likeable.

The Americans had been trying to blow up Saddam for years. Iraq needed to be invaded for the same reason Korea needed to be divided, For Vietnam to been protected. American interests were to be protected... the Middle East holds vast oil reserves. It's also a battleground, between Sunni and Shia, between Iran and Israel, Between Theocracy and Democracy... no self respecting super power would stay out of the party.

The Patriot act? We also had some anti Terrorism laws enacted here: POTA, Basically the police can take a 'suspected terrorist' into custody without trial and torture him for information. Oh, and some side benifits of arsoning his house and raping his wife and children. Lots of collateral, but dozens of confirmed terorists were captured.
Meh, aside from debating effectiveness, anyways, it's more of politics, gotta show the nation "we're the tough guys. We can do what it takes to protect the nation, not like the lily livered Democrats." Any other Rebublican would have done it.

wrote:The Americans had been trying to blow up Saddam for years. Iraq needed to be invaded for the same reason Korea needed to be divided, For Vietnam to been protected. American interests were to be protected... the Middle East holds vast oil reserves. It's also a battleground, between Sunni and Shia, between Iran and Israel, Between Theocracy and Democracy... no self respecting super power would stay out of the party.

Oh, and this would be all nice and dandy if the USA hadn't been supplying Iraq with weapons before, then backstabbed them in the UN, which is why they're so pissed.

And give me a break, Iraq needed to be invaded to give Bush fame as a "successful" commander-in-chief. Pity he screwed it up and has no idea how to get out now. Maybe a plan would've helped.

wrote:The Patriot act? We also had some anti Terrorism laws enacted here: POTA, Basically the police can take a 'suspected terrorist' into custody without trial and torture him for information. Oh, and some side benifits of arsoning his house and raping his wife and children. Lots of collateral, but dozens of confirmed terorists were captured.
Meh, aside from debating effectiveness, anyways, it's more of politics, gotta show the nation "we're the tough guys. We can do what it takes to protect the nation, not like the lily livered Democrats." Any other Rebublican would have done it.

Too bad it violates the rights the first Americans were fighting for.

Bush screwed up, royally.

wrote:Oh, and this would be all nice and dandy if the USA hadn't been supplying Iraq with weapons before, then backstabbed them in the UN, which is why they're so pissed.

And give me a break, Iraq needed to be invaded to give Bush fame as a "successful" commander-in-chief. Pity he screwed it up and has no idea how to get out now. Maybe a plan would've helped

What are you talking about? The CIA armed a few Kurds here and there. The US had imposed an embargo on Iraq, starved thousands of peasants and reduced it's army to a heap of rusted tanks. It was soft and ready for invasion.

It's never that simple, Saddam was a cold war relic who kept screwing up American plans in the region. A nice democratic Iraq with massive amout of Marines wandering in the desert would have been a real kick in the teeth for Iran, Syria, Hizballah, the Muslim Brotherhood... you name it.
Cheney really did think the Iraqis would welcome US troops as 'liberators.

wrote:What are you talking about? The CIA armed a few Kurds here and there. The US had imposed an embargo on Iraq, starved thousands of peasants and reduced it's army to a heap of rusted tanks. It was soft and ready for invasion.

It's never that simple, Saddam was a cold war relic who kept screwing up American plans in the region. A nice democratic Iraq with massive amout of Marines wandering in the desert would have been a real kick in the teeth for Iran, Syria, Hizballah, the Muslim Brotherhood... you name it.
Cheney really did think the Iraqis would welcome US troops as 'liberators.

Yes, all's in a war (for both sides), but the point is, USA screwed up, didn't it? They didn't enter the place with a good plan, and now there's no way out. You don't think another President could've forseen this?

The president is a politician, He can't plan military operations... It's his Military planners fault. Total Idiots.

Sometimes I wonder. It's very possible Bush simply ignores their advice -_- He *is* the commander-in-chief. I mean, have you heard one of his speeches? I lose 20 IQ points everytime I do.

It's called blunt, spontaenious and totally not advisable.

Spontaneous is really bad when you're the President of the strongest freaking country in the world XD

And getting fresh with female counterparts? >...<

Which time are you reffering to there?

German Chancellor, I believe.

Ah, ok, then.

You know, we should be talking about Nat.

Yeah, Nat rocks.

And is not dead.

Keep Halucinating.

i thought we've been over this before. nat is dead. it is extremely unforunate and a lot of us wish it wasn't true but, sadly, it is.