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Sentynel One with The Other Place

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3 Oct 06 - 19:32

Ptolemy. Nat and Barti shared the same body on Earth, but Ptolemy was part of Barti and all the rest in the Other Place. Ptolemy crossed to Barti's world to do it, voluntarily.

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Ianna Marid

3 Oct 06 - 23:15

In Nat's defense here:

A) He cared a bit. In the Golem's Eye and at the beginning of Ptolemy's Gate.
B) He was brainwashed.
C) He saved Bart's life twice. Well, Bart was weak because of him but still...

"You belong in Gryffindor,
where dwell the brave at heart,
Their daring, nerve and chivalry
set Gryffindors apart."

Mwamba Higher Spirit

4 Oct 06 - 00:43

But what we're talking about here is who has a closer bond to Barti.

And it will always be Ptolemy. Ptolemy. Ptolemy. Ptolemy.

Gah. The 'Nat is so noble' speeches just make me want to ship J/J.

流口水的婊子和猴子的笨儿子。

Phoenix Utukku

4 Oct 06 - 18:55

wrote:Ptolemy. Nat and Barti shared the same body on Earth, but Ptolemy was part of Barti and all the rest in the Other Place. Ptolemy crossed to Barti's world to do it, voluntarily.

I'm not denying Ptolemy was more deserving, but as Bartimeaus stated, Nathaniel and him were one. You can't get any closer than that. Even in the other place, Ptolemy, like Kitty, kept himself separate. Conversation was needed. Conversation was not needed during the Nat/Barti fusion. They were one.

wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.

Sentynel One with The Other Place

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5 Oct 06 - 16:10

They still had to talk in the same way Ptolemy and Barti did in the Other Place. They didn't speak, but they had to think to hear each other.

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Phoenix Utukku

5 Oct 06 - 21:01

Oh, they did, but more than once Barti states arguing as pointless because they understood each other.

wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.

Sentynel One with The Other Place

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6 Oct 06 - 20:32

As in the Other Place.

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Phoenix Utukku

7 Oct 06 - 00:07

Ptolemy was hours asking questions. So I assume conversation was needed.

wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.

design-devil Mouler

14 Jan 07 - 13:54

I voted nat. although there is no doubt that Ptolemy is the better person, I think Nat was probably the more charming. Exept when he went through his "Parliament' phase.

Athena Horla

17 Jan 07 - 13:08

Defidently Ptomely. He was so much more open and wise than nat ever was, even towards the end.

There is a sort of busy worm,
That will the fairest book deform,
Their tasteless tooth will tear and taint
The poet, patiot,sage or saint,
Nor sparing wit nor learning.
Now, if you'd know the reason why,
The best of reasons I'll supply;
'Tis bread to this poor vermin.

J. Doraston

Artemis Afrit

29 Jan 07 - 00:59

I voted for Ptolemy. Although I think if Nat had had more time, he might've become a much better person.

I say night I'm living in the forest of my dream,
I know the night is not as it would seem,
I must believe in something,
So I'll make myself believe it,
That this night will never go.

Laura Branigan, Self-control

Oh, Canada...

WinterTabby Horla

29 Jan 07 - 15:40

...and becoming a more Boring character in the process.

Nothing to see here, move along.

Artemis Afrit

29 Jan 07 - 17:42

Maybe.

But we'll never know as he was incinerated/eaten/squished before we could find out.

I say night I'm living in the forest of my dream,
I know the night is not as it would seem,
I must believe in something,
So I'll make myself believe it,
That this night will never go.

Laura Branigan, Self-control

Oh, Canada...

Luciene Higher Spirit

29 Jan 07 - 21:49

WinterTabby wrote: ...and becoming a more Boring character in the process.

To be fair, we don't know a lot about Ptolemy, other than what Barti told us.

He could have been a lot more interesting than Nat ever was. And Barti seemed to like him.

Apocrypha Afrit

29 Jan 07 - 22:33

Barti like Ptolemy because of Ptolemys character. he let Barti roam around free to return to the Other Place at any time.

Artemis Afrit

30 Jan 07 - 15:47

He was very interested in the unknown and mysterious, Barti told us that.

I say night I'm living in the forest of my dream,
I know the night is not as it would seem,
I must believe in something,
So I'll make myself believe it,
That this night will never go.

Laura Branigan, Self-control

Oh, Canada...

Faquarl Ghul

2 Feb 07 - 21:40

i chose Ptolemy because of how much Bartimaeus respected him, but as Nathaniel was the main character, it was hard to decide. I chose Ptolemy in the end.

Ianna Marid

3 Feb 07 - 01:38

If we would have known more about Ptolemy we would probably been bored with him.

And he wasn't all that wise. He saw only the good in people, like his cousin.

"You belong in Gryffindor,
where dwell the brave at heart,
Their daring, nerve and chivalry
set Gryffindors apart."

Artemis Afrit

3 Feb 07 - 04:36

He didn't see the good in his cousin.

He just saw his cousin's limitations and therefore, didn't view him as a threat.

I say night I'm living in the forest of my dream,
I know the night is not as it would seem,
I must believe in something,
So I'll make myself believe it,
That this night will never go.

Laura Branigan, Self-control

Oh, Canada...

Ianna Marid

4 Feb 07 - 03:22

Yeah, he did. Well, actually it was more of believed the best of them or as you said saw their limitations.

He thought that doing good stuff for him would make his cousin leave him alone.

Like San D'Klaus in Artemis Fowl.

But he was wrong, obviously.

"You belong in Gryffindor,
where dwell the brave at heart,
Their daring, nerve and chivalry
set Gryffindors apart."

Nat or Ptolemy

Who's better (in character)

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