well, we can hope :barti:

ok about HP: i am a big fan and will scream at you if you say movie 4 was good.

anyway, i knwo it never actualy says it, but it jsut seems so obvious! of course i hoped and i thoguh maybe he excaped and went away somewhere, but this seen reminds you of the ptolemy scene, and if you draw the connection the implication that he dies is too big. besides, there is hope, but we dont' know for sure. seriously, i finshed the bok and i rolled over on my bed and started sobbing!!

It doesn't specifically state that Nathaniel died, but there doesn't appear to be any way he could have got out. So, we have to assume he died.
There is a slight loophole for sequels there, but I hope it isn't used. Sequels could be good, but resurrecting Nate is a no.


As for HP, yes, any movie adaptation takes cuts, but it could have been done much better. And the maze at the end in particular has apparently no reason for being mutilated from the books.
LoTR for example. The movies lost/changed stuff, but they were damn good films, and didn't change anything major, IIRC.

No, not specifically stated; just heavily implied to the point of absolute certainty. Resurecting Nathaniel is a job for the guys at fanfiction.net. How knows? I might just do it.
If you see a Guy named Angst Equinox Reserructed him and everyone else who died, you'll know where it came from. :)

Nathaniel must be dead. Barty 'said' it himself. Ok, not the exact words but if you read the last paragraph again and again (just too make sure, like me) it's obvious. And anyway, it would be kinda weird if Nate would be resurected. Even though I want him to live, I guess it's unchangeable. :( But as you said I can write fanfiction.

HP movies are nothing compared to the books. I must say it ruined everything for me. Don't ask <_<
But LotR was great! Peter Jackson could not have made it better!

Actually i always found the movies more bearable than the books...

*waves shyly* This is the 'I have finished the last book' thread, right? :( Just wanted to say, that I finished the book about 5 minutes ago and it is in the middle of the night and I am feeling all crappy. Still! Such a great, great ending! First Ptolemy and now Nat? So tragic! So brilliant! I assume I will start reading the first book again now...

Yes, you have got the right thread. It has drifted a little off topic.

If I haven't welcomed you already, welcome. Have a cookie.

Hey! Yes, you have welcomed me, but hey, that so doesn't matter! Two cookies for me! :D

(Book still ends the same way as it did last night, I checked - just in case-... )

I have been known to accidently skip the final chapter/epilogue of books...

*lol* But you didn't, did you?? I mean when you read Ptolemy's Gate?

(Ooops, I totally messed up this thread... I feel bad. What were you guys talking about?)

no matter :P

They were talking about "the end" and "its over" but anyway ya it was pretty sad....

I loved this book. It's my favorite one in the series. And though Nathaniel was my favorite character, and the ending was really sad, I loved the ending. It was a perfect ending, well, not perfect, but awesome in my book. An awesome ending to an awesome series.

It was an Excellent ending.You started to like Nat at the end and WAM you have a feeling of lose.Not as bad as the feeling of lose in HP H.B.P. though.
I think the author will continue the series with the adventure of Barti and Nat while Barti was stuck on Earth for 2 years after book 2 but before book 3.Barti breifly mentioned a few adventure where he saves Nat but( there were three I think.Something with an embassy or ambasador wife ...???something like that.

Not likely. Bartimaeus said they were "Affairs of little interest"
And heres the qoute
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wrote: The case of the missing envelope, afrit and the ambassador's wife. and the affairs of the anarchist, globe and oyster. Nathaniel nearly lost his life in all of this; like i said, of little interest.

Ptolemy123 wrote: Not likely. Bartimaeus said they were "Affairs of little interest"
And heres the qoute
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wrote: The case of the missing envelope, afrit and the ambassador's wife. and the affairs of the anarchist, globe and oyster. Nathaniel nearly lost his life in all of this; like i said, of little interest.

You really don't think the author will follow that path?It sounded to me as though Barti was just down playing the value of Nat's life in his usual witty self.But what do I know...

Like I said: Unlikely

Ptolemy123 wrote: Not likely. Bartimaeus said they were "Affairs of little interest"
And heres the qoute
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wrote: The case of the missing envelope, afrit and the ambassador's wife. and the affairs of the anarchist, globe and oyster. Nathaniel nearly lost his life in all of this; like i said, of little interest.

well it was Bartimaeus talking...

Shriveling Fire wrote:

Ptolemy123 wrote: Not likely. Bartimaeus said they were "Affairs of little interest"
And heres the qoute
'

wrote: The case of the missing envelope, afrit and the ambassador's wife. and the affairs of the anarchist, globe and oyster. Nathaniel nearly lost his life in all of this; like i said, of little interest.

You really don't think the author will follow that path?It sounded to me as though Barti was just down playing the value of Nat's life in his usual witty self.But what do I know...

i Agree,

It was definately barti playing down the values of Nats life.

.:William Gladstone:. wrote: i Agree,

Showing off the new smileys, Gladstone?