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Rule1:No Weapons. Rule2:Fight to the death. Who would win?!

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Umbreo Utukku
18 Dec 08 - 21:54
Yeah, physical strength is all that's really needed. But Faquarl was in a human body at the time, remember? That would help.
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Dansariki Higher Spirit
18 Dec 08 - 22:10
Thanks.
And yeah, Faquarl mentions that being in a human form helps.

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Umbreo Utukku
18 Dec 08 - 22:23
Bottom line: Bart Wins
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Nero Higher Spirit
18 Dec 08 - 22:46
umbreo wrote:Yeah, physical strength is all that's really needed. But Faquarl was in a human body at the time, remember? That would help.
Plus Bartimaeus never tried to go physical (assuming the statue doesn't really count, if so, it still kinda winded him) and always used magical attacks.
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Umbreo Utukku
18 Dec 08 - 22:48
Past-tense. USED magical attacks. He would have gotten the idea by their next encounter.
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Something symbolic in that. It's what fake freedom does for you.
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Dansariki Higher Spirit
19 Dec 08 - 01:36
Doubtful.
He would have been trying to do other things, the Mercenary was always a distraction.
His (Barti's) instinct is to just blow away the stupid humans and run off.
The Statue was physical, but Faquarl had a sustained series of powerful blows all in a short time.
To Bart's credit, from his dialogue in AoS, I get the feeling he'd get physical, and then figure it out, but only then.
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Umbreo Utukku
19 Dec 08 - 02:00
Well, in this, a hypothetical situation where Nathaniel, a footstool, Verroq and Bartimaeus are fighting each other, there wouldn't be any distractions. Bartimaeus isn't stupid, he wouldn't waste time with any more magic attacks.
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Dansariki Higher Spirit
19 Dec 08 - 02:45
True, but Verroq would also be aware of how easily he is defeated by sheer physical force, and so would take suitable precautions.
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Apollo Marid
19 Dec 08 - 06:48
umbreo wrote:Unfortunately not.

Verroq does manage to move the statue off himself, but that's only because Bart can't do anything because he's being summoned.

He'd ALREADY thrown Verroq's 7-league boots into the lake BEFORE throwing the statue, and could have finished off Verroq when he was struggling with the statue had he not been summoned. He didn't, as you said, use the time afforded by the statue to dispose of the boots.

Verroq only gets a chance to stand because Bart's being summoned. If you remember, Bartimaeus was angry, and could have finished Verroq using brute force, as Farquarl does in PG (because by that point Bart has realised Verroq's resilience to magic).

Check the book yourself if you're unsure, page 417 of Amulet.
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19 Dec 08 - 11:39
Dansariki wrote:True, but Verroq would also be aware of how easily he is defeated by sheer physical force, and so would take suitable precautions.
Yeah, I suppose one has to take into account Verroq's experience too. He would surely take precautions & so would Bart. That leaves us again in square one.
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Apollo Marid
19 Dec 08 - 19:17
Add Bart's wit to the equation, and you have him winning.

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Dansariki Higher Spirit
19 Dec 08 - 22:07
Not even.
A lil' Ag and cunning for Verroq, and there we go.
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19 Dec 08 - 23:54
Dansariki wrote:Not even.
A lil' Ag and cunning for Verroq, and there we go.
Silver is a weapon. Says no weapons.
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Umbreo Utukku
20 Dec 08 - 04:17
Dansariki wrote:True, but Verroq would also be aware of how easily he is defeated by sheer physical force, and so would take suitable precautions.
Such as . . .?
When I set out from the boy's attic window, my head was so full of competing plans and complex strategems that I didn't look where I was going and flew straight into a chimney.

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Dansariki Higher Spirit
20 Dec 08 - 04:44
Edit, not double post.

Silver can be merely a defense, as in an amulet, or a silver-laced garment.
Defense, not offenese.
Topic thinks offense.
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There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
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Apollo Marid
20 Dec 08 - 04:46
A sword or gun can be used defensively, but it is still a weapon. No weapons.

And Umbreo, why so serious all the time? I hugged you for taking the pain to type out our point.
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Umbreo Utukku
20 Dec 08 - 04:52
No problem. Actually, I had to type it out twice. The first time I went all out and typed the whole paragraph from the book (just to be thorough) but my computer froze, and so the next time I could only be bothered to include the page refference.
And no amulets, but possibly defensive clothing . . . I'm not sure on that one.
When I set out from the boy's attic window, my head was so full of competing plans and complex strategems that I didn't look where I was going and flew straight into a chimney.

Something symbolic in that. It's what fake freedom does for you.
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Nero Higher Spirit
20 Dec 08 - 16:48
Apollo wrote:A sword or gun can be used defensively, but it is still a weapon. No weapons.
I always thought a gun could only be used offensively.

And can we just infer that it's just them, and their bare fists?
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Apollo Marid
20 Dec 08 - 17:57
(guns can be used defensively)

And yes, we can. That is what we're trying to get across.
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20 Dec 08 - 23:04
Hmm... Well, since Verroq isn't allowed any weapons either, Bart could just talk him to death.

It's possible. :P


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