Luciene Higher Spirit
2 Jul 06 - 20:54
How can you expect him to do anything, if you don't believe in him, don't trust him and all that. You have to have faith, I think.
Creation Vs Evolution.
General ChatPhaos Mouler
2 Jul 06 - 20:55
No one ever has, no one ever will, only god himself can prove that he exists
dont want to sound stupid, but...I have no clue what micro and macro evolution is.
and what do you mean that god does nothing? Everyday there are miracles, people revived, people saved, prayers answered.
dont want to sound stupid, but...I have no clue what micro and macro evolution is.
and what do you mean that god does nothing? Everyday there are miracles, people revived, people saved, prayers answered.
Luciene Higher Spirit
2 Jul 06 - 21:00
You also can't compare the proof of evolution to proof of God. God is a lot more than creation.
Kibblediggit Ghul
2 Jul 06 - 21:11
Bam bam bam! I'm too lazy to go back and read the posts that weren't on this page, or the first one, so I'll just leap in with my two cents.
My basic theory is that there's evolution and God. Y'know, the one where one million years could be just one day to Him. Besides, that part of Genesis has a large symboligical factor-y. So there's Evolution and God. One does not necessarily disprove the other.
This is pretty much just one macho reply to everything on this page. I believe that God exists, but I think if someone really doesn't believe that then there's nothing you can do right away bam bam bam to prove that he does exist. I could say why I think he exists and all that shizz, but you wouldn't believe me.
But some people have theories like "Well, if God is so great then why does he let all them bad things happen. If he does exist then I don't like him". What people forget is that there's also a Satan, who is a pretty malignant fellow. So God has his good stuff, and Satan does his bad stuff. He does have a third of heaven's angels with him.
God still does stuff if you don't believe in him, I think. I've seen that.
My basic theory is that there's evolution and God. Y'know, the one where one million years could be just one day to Him. Besides, that part of Genesis has a large symboligical factor-y. So there's Evolution and God. One does not necessarily disprove the other.
This is pretty much just one macho reply to everything on this page. I believe that God exists, but I think if someone really doesn't believe that then there's nothing you can do right away bam bam bam to prove that he does exist. I could say why I think he exists and all that shizz, but you wouldn't believe me.
But some people have theories like "Well, if God is so great then why does he let all them bad things happen. If he does exist then I don't like him". What people forget is that there's also a Satan, who is a pretty malignant fellow. So God has his good stuff, and Satan does his bad stuff. He does have a third of heaven's angels with him.
God still does stuff if you don't believe in him, I think. I've seen that.
Hodge Mouler
2 Jul 06 - 21:14
I believe that God created the world in six 24 hr. days and that he slept on the seventh 24 hr. day, making the law of sabbath for Israel.![]()
2 Jul 06 - 21:30
o_OPhaos wrote: Preists can only be male because only males can have the presithood.
O_o
Priests can only be male... because only males can be priests? Eh?
God's omnipotent, right?
And yet God's good?
Bad things happen in the world. Depending on your point of view, that's because either Satan does it or because God is punishing us/trying to make us look after ourselves/whatever. If Satan's doing it, why doesn't God stop him? And what kind of good god leaves his people to suffer when he could stop it with a thought?
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Luciene Higher Spirit
2 Jul 06 - 21:34
About the suffering, God gives us free will. We make our own mistakes by giving in to the devil. And God helps us by giving us strength to overcome it. And we become better people. And would you like to have someone controling your entire life? I prefer to make mistakes and become a better person, than bieng totally dependant
Phaos Mouler
2 Jul 06 - 21:39
I agree wtih lucience 100%. I was gonna post my own reason, but his
reasoning is better...heck Ill just post what I was going to say
anyways.
"preisthood is the power of god that he gave us. and only males can
have the preisthood, so therfore only males can be preists.
1. yes
2. correct
3. The only time god punishes a people or a person on earth is when the people are so wicked that the truth would be lost and or destoryed if they wernt destoyed/punished. and one of the many reasons we are here on earth (or so I beleive) is to test us, to make sure that we are really loyal to our father in heaven. and god gave us agency, the
ability to deside for oursevles what we want to do, he promised he wouldnt interfere with that"
reasoning is better...heck Ill just post what I was going to say
anyways.
"preisthood is the power of god that he gave us. and only males can
have the preisthood, so therfore only males can be preists.
1. yes
2. correct
3. The only time god punishes a people or a person on earth is when the people are so wicked that the truth would be lost and or destoryed if they wernt destoyed/punished. and one of the many reasons we are here on earth (or so I beleive) is to test us, to make sure that we are really loyal to our father in heaven. and god gave us agency, the
ability to deside for oursevles what we want to do, he promised he wouldnt interfere with that"
Kibblediggit Ghul
2 Jul 06 - 21:44
Free will, alas alas. If the questions doesn't make sense then the answer probably won't either, that's something to remember in ye philiosophical questioning.
Uuuh...what were we talking about? Oh yes. Satan. God. Free Will. Why.
Satan has free will too, right? I don't know what God's doing with him or anything, but I sort of believe that there's always going ot be evil in the world and not believing in God because of that's not a good reason. But everyone's open to their opinions.
Also, he is trying to stop it. It's just that I think so many people are worried about banning Brokeback Mountain from movie theatres that they're completely oblivious to genocides on the other side of the world. I sort of think we, as people, should help too. God's not just "kay, bam bam bam it's all gone now". I have no idea how it works.
But if we lived in a perfect wolrd, would we be happier? Or will we always find something that's wrong?
Uuuh...what were we talking about? Oh yes. Satan. God. Free Will. Why.
Satan has free will too, right? I don't know what God's doing with him or anything, but I sort of believe that there's always going ot be evil in the world and not believing in God because of that's not a good reason. But everyone's open to their opinions.
Also, he is trying to stop it. It's just that I think so many people are worried about banning Brokeback Mountain from movie theatres that they're completely oblivious to genocides on the other side of the world. I sort of think we, as people, should help too. God's not just "kay, bam bam bam it's all gone now". I have no idea how it works.
But if we lived in a perfect wolrd, would we be happier? Or will we always find something that's wrong?
Luciene Higher Spirit
2 Jul 06 - 21:46
Hey!!! I'm a girl!Phaos wrote: but his
reasoning is better
And I don't really think that God punishes, 'cause he a loving God rite? He gives us hardship so that we don't forget that we need him. Like when 9/11 happenned, so many people started going to church again. (not that it was good)
Edit: people have different opinions about what a perfect world would be like. Like what if two people both wanted something?
Phaos Mouler
2 Jul 06 - 21:49
If we lived in a perfect world, we would be oblivious to good and evil
like adam and eve were. and good point about satan. he's doin what ever
he feels like doing. ALthough i beleive that eventaully he will be
silenced and caught.
sorry about that luciene, I was thinking too hard about other things and didnt really think about what gender I was calling you. lol
In a perfect world, you wouldnt want anything, cause you would have only what you needed, and be happy about it. And even if the situation could arise, then the person would be like "No, you have it" "no you have it!" "No, I couldnt, you have it!"
like adam and eve were. and good point about satan. he's doin what ever
he feels like doing. ALthough i beleive that eventaully he will be
silenced and caught.
sorry about that luciene, I was thinking too hard about other things and didnt really think about what gender I was calling you. lol
In a perfect world, you wouldnt want anything, cause you would have only what you needed, and be happy about it. And even if the situation could arise, then the person would be like "No, you have it" "no you have it!" "No, I couldnt, you have it!"
Kibblediggit Ghul
2 Jul 06 - 22:05
XD Actually, in this forum, you can't tell anyone's gender.
But if God loves everybody, does that include Satan?
But if God loves everybody, does that include Satan?
Phaos Mouler
2 Jul 06 - 22:18
*shrugs*
Ive actaully wondered about that too, im not sure. I know that he did
love him until he started disagreeing with him. But after that, Im not
sure. I mean, satan is dragging the rest of his children away from him,
god has a lot of reason to not love him. But I think that god still
loves him, maybe in a differetn sort of way though.
IM AN IMP!
Im leaving for a week, so I better add my 2 cents in before I leave....
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If gods an army of the most trained and hardened warriors ever. Satan is a 2 year old with a squirt gun.
no clue where that came from, im just bored
:krim:
Ive actaully wondered about that too, im not sure. I know that he did
love him until he started disagreeing with him. But after that, Im not
sure. I mean, satan is dragging the rest of his children away from him,
god has a lot of reason to not love him. But I think that god still
loves him, maybe in a differetn sort of way though.
IM AN IMP!
Im leaving for a week, so I better add my 2 cents in before I leave....
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If gods an army of the most trained and hardened warriors ever. Satan is a 2 year old with a squirt gun.
no clue where that came from, im just bored
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Apocrypha Afrit
3 Jul 06 - 00:23
2 year old. Squirt Gun. 
Hodge Mouler
3 Jul 06 - 00:34
In a perfect world nothing would be wrong, it would just be perfect.wrote:But if we lived in a perfect wolrd, would we be happier? Or will we always find something that's wrong?
Apocrypha Afrit
3 Jul 06 - 00:52
The problem would be it's perfect. 
Krim Horla
3 Jul 06 - 01:16
What are you people rambling about now? I thought '4 pages of people debating, hope they have some good arguments'. No, you guys are rambling about nothing coherent. Most of the offered proof of God such as creationists claims can be explained with science, just google
'so-and-so theory is incorrect'
or something along those lines, and you'll get an explanation probably 100% of the time.
And I think I saw a 'point' about 'so many people believed, can you just disregard that'. Uh...so?
So, if we have free will, and God is omnipotent, he already knows what we're going to do, which rather destroys the point. Or else he doesn't fit the quota.
:krim:
Are we going to argue factual information such as creationist points vrs. evolutionist points, or are we going to talk about Satan and free will, which don't apply to this thread, really?
Because if it's the latter, I'm going to have to hug Luciene.
'so-and-so theory is incorrect'
or something along those lines, and you'll get an explanation probably 100% of the time.
And I think I saw a 'point' about 'so many people believed, can you just disregard that'. Uh...so?
So, if we have free will, and God is omnipotent, he already knows what we're going to do, which rather destroys the point. Or else he doesn't fit the quota.
:krim:
Are we going to argue factual information such as creationist points vrs. evolutionist points, or are we going to talk about Satan and free will, which don't apply to this thread, really?
Because if it's the latter, I'm going to have to hug Luciene.
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Post Higher Spirit
3 Jul 06 - 02:28
wrote:What are you people rambling about now? I thought '4 pages of people debating, hope they have some good arguments'. No, you guys are rambling about nothing coherent.
Aye, same here.
Debunk this Hodge, and we'll talk.wrote:Creation believes in 'Everything out of nothing', creatio ex nihilo. Patently wrong, for everything their has to something, a first clause, you may argue God was the first clause, maybe. Did he say "Let there be light" and there was light? If that was so, what was before that? Who said "Let there be God"?
There is a fundemental difference between the scientific method of doing things and the godmen's method of doing things. The scientific method uses observation, hypothesis and deductions to advance things, Predictions are testable by experimentation. If the theory is correct, it lives, if it is wrong, the paper shredder gets some work to do. In principle, the scientific method does not seek answers that fit a certain pre-determined conclusion, but rather works to construct viable, testable, and provable theories based on a solid evidential foundation. The evidential foundation therefore precludes any reference to revelation.
Creationists, on the other hand, work by taking the scriptures as their primary source of imformation. Effectively they already have the answer before the question. Their holy books take preminance as evidence, this is not the scientific method, it is a return to medievilism.
The genesis claims the world was created in 'six days' within the past ten thousand years. Patently absurd, it goes against everything from carbon dating to fossil records.
As for evolution, even if one does not take in the fossil record as evidence, we still have many examples of evolution within the past century. Tuskless Elephants, for example. Poachers favored to kill Elephants with large tusks, over time, cases of Elephants that grew without tusks increased, now they form a sizeble part of the general population. Or maybe Drug Resistant Bacteria? Samurai Crabs? Roaches? You name it, their evolving.
DNA analysis has proved we share 50% of our DNA with yeast, 98% with Chimps; certainly not looking good for special creation, does it? Or is mordern Biology all wrong?
"Any sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic" said HG Wells, and I agree.
"If you tell a lie big enough and often enough, it becomes the truth" Said Hitler, and I agree.
God does not exist in the classical sense, when are you going to accept that?
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Apocrypha Afrit
3 Jul 06 - 02:45
Yes, true there.
Post Higher Spirit
3 Jul 06 - 03:22
OKay, I'll take that as proof your with us not Hodge.
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