Who's more powerful, Ramuthra or Nouda?

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Whos is more powerful?

1. Ramuthra
2. Nouda
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Sentynel One with The Other Place
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23 Oct 06 - 13:05
It's not in the footnotes. He doesn't describe things which have a very real impact on the story in footnotes. That would be like describing his summoning in a footnote.
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Phoenix Utukku
25 Oct 06 - 21:35
Details, such as the cause of the rift, not the effects which are being described in the main story, are described in the footnotes.
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26 Oct 06 - 00:05
The cause of the rift is Ramuthra being summoned through it. That's self explanatory. The effects of Ramuthra and the rift have direct bearing on the story and so aren't described in the footnotes.
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Phoenix Utukku
1 Nov 06 - 05:14
Partly, but the rift is there because the Summoning Horn, an artifact of great power, ripped it open. It makes sense that the rift is the thing causing all of this, since it's not a normal summoning tool. Space itself is being torn apart.
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Sentynel One with The Other Place
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1 Nov 06 - 16:48
Yes, but space itself is being torn apart around Ramuthra due to its strength. The rift stays put. Ramuthra moves. The disruption effect goes with both.
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Rekhyt2238 Utukku
2 Nov 06 - 00:17
Sentynel wrote: Yes, but space itself is being torn apart around Ramuthra due to its strength. The rift stays put. Ramuthra moves. The disruption effect goes with both.
Yes, disruption follows both.
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Phoenix Utukku
2 Nov 06 - 00:29
Ramuthra is indeed expanding the rift, but for all we know, any spirit of considerable power may do the same, and have the same effect.
wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.
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Sentynel One with The Other Place
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2 Nov 06 - 18:18
But Nouda doesn't, therefore he's weaker. QED.
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Phoenix Utukku
2 Nov 06 - 18:20
Nouda never had the chance to, as Nouda didn't come in through a bloody rift in the space-time continuum.
wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.
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2 Nov 06 - 20:58
Not this bloody debate again...

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Sentynel One with The Other Place
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2 Nov 06 - 21:18
Phoenix wrote: Nouda never had the chance to, as Nouda didn't come in through a bloody rift in the space-time continuum.
The rift is only there cos Ramuthra is so powerful. No normal spirit creates one.


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3 Nov 06 - 03:40
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Phoenix Utukku
3 Nov 06 - 06:13
wrote:The rift is only there cos Ramuthra is so powerful. No normal spirit creates one.
The rift is there because the summoning horn ripped it open.
wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.
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Sentynel One with The Other Place
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3 Nov 06 - 19:36
The summoning horn is just an easy way of summoning powerful spirits. Every spirit creates a rift as it comes through, it's just that most close again after them.
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Phoenix Utukku
3 Nov 06 - 19:39
If what you say is true, then why should the rift close? It justs has to do its job and leave.
wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.
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30 Nov 06 - 01:01
yo read the little comments, barti says that nouda was probably more than a marid wich implies that he is a relatively week superior spirit. dont be fooled by his arrogance, he aint that strong. and seriously nothing in the book makes you think he is
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Phoenix Utukku
30 Nov 06 - 07:00
Erm, no, among the class of spirits, a marid is the strongest, right after afrit, making him a Greater Spirit. There is no other way to describe these ebings, as the most powerful recorded class is a marid.
wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.
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30 Nov 06 - 19:54
Nouda only got more powerful as he devoured more magicians. I believe he was a moderate Greater Spirit. But please, don't bring the damn debate up again!
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Phoenix Utukku
18 Dec 06 - 23:05
But debates are fun XD
wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.
4 Jan 07 - 00:33
Ramuthra is more powerful. Both are beyond marids but Ramuthra took 4 magicians to summon him (one of which was Makepeace) whereas Nouda was summoned by Makepeace on his own. Also, in the final scene Bartimeaus shouts to Nouda that he has dealt with far greater entities than Nouda and the entities he lists include Ramuthra. :lol2:

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