Yes! Ianna's resurrected the forum!

I know.

I'm utterly amazed at her ability to do mass posting without any spam. It's amazing.

Yes it is amazing. I sware her post count has jumped 200 since she's returned(Maybe it's 100).

Well, I can multi-task really well.

Maybe I should go off again so predictions go strange....

Back on topic.....

Ramuthra or Nouda?

Does more powerful mean less brains (as in Ramuthra's case)?

Hey, long time no talk, im sooooooo busy in university now but i had to come back to knock some sence in some people. I have read in many threads lately that people are persuaded that Nouda is more powerfull.

THAT IS JUST IGNORANT

You are making assumptions that the spirits power must grow from book to book. No see every book individually with no specific order and you will see that:

-when barti talks about Nouda he says that he "MIGHT" even be higher that a marid (they later refer to him numerous times as a higher spirit but that line matters)

-Ramuthra disrups the balance of space time around him, Nouda doesnt. Some guy says that because he is in a human body he cant. OK
1) Beeing in a human body makes the spirit stronger (look at faquarl)
2) He eventually rips himself out of the body and shows his real form ( no warping)

-4 magicians and a huge pentacle were needed to summon Ramuthra, 1 for Nouda. You say ah well he wanted to come out, still it is draining the magician.

-Ramuthra cant even be summoned with an incantation, you need a horn of sorts.

-Nouda was killed by the magic of 2 mere marids in gladstone's staff. Ramuthra would not have given in to marids.

-Barti says he has fought spirits stronger than Nouda, one of them is Ramuthra.

-Ramuthra changes people's genders simply by his magical presence.

-Lovelace says the amulette has equal power to him and the amulet could easily protect someone from Nouda

Conclusion: (((((((((((((((((((((((Ramuthra)))))))))))))))))))
and
"nouda"

University, as in: college?

Serpent of the silver plumes wrote: -Ramuthra changes people's genders simply by his magical presence.

Firstly, no need to shout that we're all ignorant.
Secondly, we don't all think Nouda is stronger.
Finally, changes people's genders??

Sentynel wrote: Finally, changes people's genders??

i don't remember that ever happening in the book.

pi-fan92 wrote:

Sentynel wrote: Finally, changes people's genders??

i don't remember that ever happening in the book.

It did. There was also a lot more warping.


BTW, did this topic get split or somthing? I thought it was longer...

Yes, some guys did indeed turn into women (a woesome fate indeed).

wrote:1) Beeing in a human body makes the spirit stronger (look at faquarl)

After training for weeks.

wrote:2) He eventually rips himself out of the body and shows his real form ( no warping)

Wrong. Spirits have no real form. The fact that his form at the time was actually quite organized means that he was far from being in his full power.

wrote:4 magicians and a huge pentacle were needed to summon Ramuthra, 1 for Nouda. You say ah well he wanted to come out, still it is draining the magician.

Ramuthra was needed out. According to Makepeace, all one had to do was dominate the other's spirit will, so not all of the constraining words were needed. Indeed, the body itself was supposed to be a pentacle enough.

wrote:-Ramuthra cant even be summoned with an incantation, you need a horn of sorts.

When does anyone say Ramuthra couldn't be summoned without an incantation?

wrote:Nouda was killed by the magic of 2 mere marids in gladstone's staff. Ramuthra would not have given in to marids.

Nouda was killed by the falling steel beams of the building.

We have no idea how much punishment could Ramuthra have taken.

wrote:-Barti says he has fought spirits stronger than Nouda, one of them is Ramuthra.

Barti is bragging, and Barti never says Ramu > Nouda.

wrote:-Lovelace says the amulette has equal power to him and the amulet could easily protect someone from Nouda

Wrong again. In order for the amulet to protect someone, the spirit inside must be the strongest. The spirit of the Amulet was stronger than both Ramu and Nouda.

Phoenix wrote:

wrote:1) Beeing in a human body makes the spirit stronger (look at faquarl)

After training for weeks.

No. He was only able to pretend to be a human after training for weeks, but he was stronger instantly.

wrote:

wrote:2) He eventually rips himself out of the body and shows his real form ( no warping)

Wrong. Spirits have no real form. The fact that his form at the time was actually quite organized means that he was far from being in his full power.

No, you're wrong. Throughout the books Barti mentions spirits' true forms, which they're unable to hide on the seventh plane.

He didn't mean to rip out. He just grew too large from eating people, he couldn't fit anymore.

ok so dont say he didnt show his true form then lol

and ya they all have a true form i remember mwamba was like a purple demon with spines on her back, faquarl looks like a squid, i cant remember barti's though, i know it was green right?

wrote:No. He was only able to pretend to be a human after training for weeks, but he was stronger instantly.

I consider the art of walking and self-control strenght. I mean, what's all that strenght good for if you're chewing a teddy bear?

wrote:No, you're wrong. Throughout the books Barti mentions spirits' true forms, which they're unable to hide on the seventh plane.

Incorrect. That is as *close* to their true form as a spirit can get, but Barti makes clear that their true form is just essence. Anything that forces order on them (even something as chaotic as tentacles) is order, and not true to them.

Phoenix wrote:

wrote:No, you're wrong. Throughout the books Barti mentions spirits' true forms, which they're unable to hide on the seventh plane.

Incorrect. That is as *close* to their true form as a spirit can get, but Barti makes clear that their true form is just essence. Anything that forces order on them (even something as chaotic as tentacles) is order, and not true to them.

But nonetheless, it's their true Earth form, and has nothing to do with Nouda's strength. No matter how strong a spirit is they can't hide their true Earth form completely.

wrote:

wrote:No. He was only able to pretend to be a human after training for weeks, but he was stronger instantly.

I consider the art of walking and self-control strenght. I mean, what's all that strenght good for if you're chewing a teddy bear?

A spirit's strength is its magical strength. Learning to control a human body has no bearing on how strong they actually are.

Sentynel wrote: A spirit's strength is its magical strength. Learning to control a human body has no bearing on how strong they actually are.

Yes, I agree. Even if it can't even stand up, it can still easily throw detonations.

wrote:But nonetheless, it's their true Earth form, and has nothing to do with Nouda's strength. No matter how strong a spirit is they can't hide their true Earth form completely.

A spirit's true form is completely and utterly chaotic, enough so that the sight of it kills birds. You think that was Nouda's true form?

wrote:A spirit's strength is its magical strength. Learning to control a human body has no bearing on how strong they actually are.

I still have my doubts about this, but I admit I can't prove them. So I concede this.

Phoenix wrote:

wrote:But nonetheless, it's their true Earth form, and has nothing to do with Nouda's strength. No matter how strong a spirit is they can't hide their true Earth form completely.

A spirit's true form is completely and utterly chaotic, enough so that the sight of it kills birds. You think that was Nouda's true form?

The form Faquarl showed the ravens was his true Earth form, the tentacly thing visible to Barti on the seventh plane which he doesn't like at all. If Barti won't look at it it must scare the crap out of mere ravens. Didn't kill them, though, just scared them.

Sentynel wrote:Didn't kill them, though, just scared them.

Actually it did:

wrote:Raquarl revealed his true self to them on the first plane: he only did so for a fraction of a second, but the glimpse was enough.  Four ravens dropped dead on the instant...

My guess is it was caused by a heart attack...

Damn, you can tell I've not read it for ages. Whatever, it was pure fright that killed them.