^ Cross references are awesome! I read Buried Fire after the Bartimaeus Trilogy, and found a surprising amount of links back to it through people's names! I wonder if Stroud realised that as he was writing Amulet...

Quick question: Would you class Artemis as a hero, villain or an anti-hero?

He starts out as an anti-hero, but he does gain good qualities as the series progresses. Elf-kissing unfortunately returned him to the hero status that he gained before his mind wipe.

In that respect, book 1 is still the best of the series. All the way through, you sort of still think that the LEP are going to win, because a) they have the blue rinse b) Artemis can't escape the time stop and c) they ARE the good guys. When Artemis escapes the time stop, it's like being on a rollercoaster that suddenly stops and goes in a completely different direction, possibly converting into a log ride in the process. It's awesome. Do we want Artemis to win? In a guilty way, we really do. Should we? Nah, probably not. He did kidnap Holly, and lie to her, and all that - but he's survived so much! For him to die now would really spoil things. In the end, we're glad that he did survive (and that he won) and we're even happier that the vendetta survives with him! He was sort of the bad guy, but... we... liked him?

*Stops talking.*

The first Artemis Fowl book was definitely the best. I've kinda given up on the series now. I don't think I've read the most recent. Anti-hero Artemis is way more awesome.

^QFT

Sentynel wrote:The first Artemis Fowl book was definitely the best. I've kinda given up on the series now. I don't think I've read the most recent. Anti-hero Artemis is way more awesome.

Artemis was indeed his best in book one. But I liked the story and ideas of the other books more (book 3, book 2 and book 5).
Colfer should have continued the first book theme. Stories of evil genius are always fun to read.

Sentynel wrote:The first Artemis Fowl book was definitely the best. I've kinda given up on the series now. I don't think I've read the most recent. Anti-hero Artemis is way more awesome.

Yeah, that. Although I particularly like The Eternity Code. Artemis getting beaten for once, Spiro, and the Cube all made it a fun book :D

I agree, Artemis is much better as an anti-hero.

I quite liked The Lost Colony too. It was cool to read about Number One's story, though I can't say I like Minerva that much. Her conversation with Artemis about quarks and witty pseudonyms was...interesting. :blink:

my fav has to be heath ledger as the joker... he played the role so good.. and my brother is great at doing voices... he creeps me out all the time acting like the joker... comes up to me with a knife and grabs my face all the time saying you wanna know how i ot these scars.... sounds just like him

Adele wrote:my fav has to be heath ledger as the joker... he played the role so good.. and my brother is great at doing voices... he creeps me out all the time acting like the joker... comes up to me with a knife and grabs my face all the time saying you wanna know how i ot these scars.... sounds just like him

That is creepy as hell. Especially how he tries to "authenticate" it with a real knife...

Lotso Huggin Bear

*shudder*

Enough said.

Claude Frollo from The Hunchback of Notre-Damme. I'm ashamed I only saw the movies -inluding the Disney one. I guess I should read the book.

Footstool wrote:though I can't say I like Minerva that much. Her conversation with Artemis about quarks and witty pseudonyms was...interesting

Minerva is just a tipycall "in-love-with-the-hero" filler character.

I liked Minerva in that she provided (at first) an interesting rival genius for Artemis.

Rivals for Artemis are always fun. ;D

Hmmm. I always adored Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty myself. XD

Heh, now more seriously - for books, I'd say Kal Torak from the David Eddings books. I loved reading that prologue from his point of view - quite interesting. And his way of twisting everything to make himself the victim is lovely as well, an awesome character.

I enjoyed Erik (the Phantom) in Gustave Leroux's Phantom of the Opera. A brilliant, if mildly disturbing and pathetic, character. And a good villain, even if you spend much of the time pitying him. Why that is what makes him wonderful!

And on Artemis, I agree on the anti-hero bit - I liked him best at the beginning of the series, though I enjoyed all of the books thus far.

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Oh man, batten down the hatches and say goodbye to your free time...

Nero wrote:

Adele wrote:my fav has to be heath ledger as the joker...

That is creepy as hell. Especially how he tries to "authenticate" it with a real knife...

hahah you have no idea how creepy it is... but its funny at the same time

Adele wrote:

Nero wrote:

Adele wrote:my fav has to be heath ledger as the joker...

That is creepy as hell. Especially how he tries to "authenticate" it with a real knife...

hahah you have no idea how creepy it is... but its funny at the same time

I always thought creepy and funny were two adjectives that would never go together...until now. :P

Heath Ledger as The Joker is awesome.
Adjectives go together a lot for that.

Vinr Alfakyn wrote: I enjoyed Erik (the Phantom) in Gustave Leroux's Phantom of the Opera. A brilliant, if mildly disturbing and pathetic, character. And a good villain, even if you spend much of the time pitying him. Why that is what makes him wonderful!

Hear hear!

Plus:

Mephistopheles - Dr Faustus
Barbarossa: Pirates of the Caribbean - Dead Man's Chest
Tybalt - Romeo and Juliet