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Nero Higher Spirit
Nathaniel wrote:Surely if you order someone to death because they have murdered then you are as bad as they are. A life for a life as it were. Much like the idea of of an eye for eye means we would all be blind.
Exactly. As simple as that is, the trust shall prevail! :D

I wish I could say the same every time about justice....
I don't think there's anything wrong with killing a murderer.
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Nero Higher Spirit
I don't think it's a matter of getting even DC. It's not like it's a redemption, taking someone's life. Even if he has killed someone else. It's not that simple. A murderer is not someone with no feelings, no relatives, no relations. Killing someone affects those connected to the victim.
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Apollo Marid
I am against the death penalty. No excuses. When in jail, isolated from the world, the criminal has time to cotemplate, and because he is seperated from the world, is "dead" anyway. Just lock murderers up forever.
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Abel Afrit
that WOULD be nice if jails were free to run and could hold everyone.

actually, i think all prisoners should just be put to work doing admin for the government or something. then they could cover their own costs XD
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Nathaniel Djinni
Not admin for the government! They could cripple the country!

They should be chain gangs like in the US and clear rubbish of roads etc, the jobs no one else wants to do.
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Adele Djinni
Nero wrote:Personally I think the death penalty is either too much or too little for criminals. Like Sent said, why hand out death so quickly? And most serial killers/ other nutter murderers have had abuse in the past. There is no such thing as a born nutter. Just some people are easier to push.

Though a shot to the head is a bit messy Sentynel. Most people want nice, clean bodies to bury. And apparently lethal injection is not as barbaric as killing assassination style. Not that there's any difference in how you kill someone.
The chair is my personal preference. Anyone who intentionally kills doesn't deserve to live. The earth is already getting too populated and keeping those who aren't usefull is a waste of space. Murders should be killed. If you feel that you are just as much at fualt if you kill them for justice, then instead of allowing soldiers to die, send the criminals off to war.. That way you aren't killing them, the enemy is.
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Sentynel One with The Other Place
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Nathaniel wrote:Not admin for the government! They could cripple the country!
...like the rest of the government then?


You can't pack criminals off to war. They won't fight.
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Abel Afrit
human shields! i think we should send people with asbos to the army.
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Nero Higher Spirit
Adele wrote:
Nero wrote:Personally I think the death penalty is either too much or too little for criminals. Like Sent said, why hand out death so quickly? And most serial killers/ other nutter murderers have had abuse in the past. There is no such thing as a born nutter. Just some people are easier to push.

Though a shot to the head is a bit messy Sentynel. Most people want nice, clean bodies to bury. And apparently lethal injection is not as barbaric as killing assassination style. Not that there's any difference in how you kill someone.
The chair is my personal preference. Anyone who intentionally kills doesn't deserve to live. The earth is already getting too populated and keeping those who aren't usefull is a waste of space. Murders should be killed. If you feel that you are just as much at fualt if you kill them for justice, then instead of allowing soldiers to die, send the criminals off to war.. That way you aren't killing them, the enemy is.
I find it laughable that there is an ideal that because there are so many damn people, that we should exploit ever way to decrease the population, by killing people.

Otherwise the rest of your argument Adele is somewhat agreeable.
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Sentynel One with The Other Place
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Even if we executed everyone who was convicted of murder, the population wouldn't decrease much at all. (Indeed, by that logic, we should be encouraging them as a means of population control!)
As mentioned previously elsewhere, the population is relatively stable or even shrinking in most first-world countries. The vast majority of people and population growth are in poor nations.
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Nero Higher Spirit
Sentynel wrote:As mentioned previously elsewhere, the population is relatively stable or even shrinking in most first-world countries. The vast majority of people and population growth are in poor nations.
Yes. So all we need to do is develop them!

It sounds so easy! :D

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The reason why the populations are getting out of control in undeveloped countries is because many of the children died so much at an early age because of famine, disease, war, etc. To make at least one kid survive, the parents have to have many children since most of them would die anyway.

So unless we control those things, I don't think we can convince them to er...get birth control.
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Adele Djinni
Not neccessarly true

A lot of undeveloped countries have many children to help with the work.
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Nero Higher Spirit
Adele wrote:A lot of undeveloped countries have many children to help with the work.
Unfortunately, the children don't want to help with it, they have to in order to support the whole family.
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Apollo Marid
Killing "obsolete" people to benefit society is the most inhuman, digusting philosophy I've ever heard. If we did that, we are no better than Pol Pot.
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Nero Higher Spirit
Apollo wrote:Killing "obsolete" people to benefit society is the most inhuman, digusting philosophy I've ever heard. If we did that, we are no better than Pol Pot.
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Luciene Higher Spirit
Adele wrote:Though a shot to the head is a bit messy Sentynel. Most people want nice, clean bodies to bury. And apparently lethal injection is not as barbaric as killing assassination style. Not that there's any difference in how you kill someone. ]The chair is my personal preference. Anyone who intentionally kills doesn't deserve to live. The earth is already getting too populated and keeping those who aren't usefull is a waste of space. Murders should be killed. If you feel that you are just as much at fualt if you kill them for justice, then instead of allowing soldiers to die, send the criminals off to war.. That way you aren't killing them, the enemy is.
No, the death penalty is disgusting. Who are we to judge who should live or die? And how are you setting a good example, if you yourself are killing someone. You are no better than them. And if you check the stats, death penalty doesn't actually deter crime. in fact, the murder rate in non-death penalty states is substantially lower.

And it's such a drain on society. Obviously, there will be many appeals, to make sure that the person is actually guilty. The justice system is backlogged enough without repeatedly trying death penalties with your tax dollars.

Also, there's is no chance for those criminals to become better people. If they join a rehabilitation program, they may eventually make up for their mistakes.

And another thing, it pisses me off, that those Republicans make such a big deal about abortion and being pro-life and then they go and do this. *cough* palin *cough*
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Adele Djinni
*cough quoting wrong person luciene cough*

alright I see where you are quoting now.. lil confusing

And I disagree... Yeah it doesn't make you any better, but allowing them to live is like allowing them to get a way with it... and if private death penalties aren't scaring the criminals then we need to start having public hangings. That would certaintly make them think.

By being pro life, the republicans are supporting innocence, the death penalty takes care of the guilt. An unborn child has do neither wrong nor right, it hasn't done anything. By being pro life, you are giving an unborn child the chance to live. By seeking justice and penalizing criminals you are punishing them for doing wrong. Criminals were givin a life to do good with, they chose the the path that people despise, therefore they pay for it. Murdering is not a forgivable sin and shouldn't be pushed aside with community service or some other method to allow them to redeem themself. they knowingly killed an individual or individuals and should pay for the victims lives with their own. And no one wants to be the one to take care of the garbage, but it needs done.
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After first trimester, don't kill it.
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