Okay, now before you all start telling me about long penticle proceedures, I already know that. What I want to know is, how are the names of Demons discovered. What was the first spirit summoned called, and how was its name disocvered? I have a feeling that It was the shamans who met the spirits at the boarders of the physical realm and the "other place". Any other ideas?

It's a good question, and the truth is, nobody really knows.

I think it started out as some experiment, and it evolved over time.

With lots of people sacrificed. :8o:

Haha, a very cynnical view, realistic though. Imagine summoning the first spirit to earth! There would have been chaos.

Didnt the first demons/spirits get summoned by the horn that lovelace blows?

wrote: Didnt the first demons/spirits get summoned by the horn that lovelace blows?

No, the summoning horn just makes summoning easier.

It could date back to Ancient Egypt, with all their gods. Maybe they respected spirits more back then.

But Uruk was further back than Eygpt and Bartimaeus was around.

Or maybe China or India. They were one of the first civilized countries. Or Africa.

Nah, probably some shaman back in 5000 BC.

Or some African tribe.

Humans are supposed to come originally from Africa. It's more likely that spirits did as well.

But the words djinni and afrit and some more I think, anre all Arabic words for demon. Look it up on wikipedia.

The concept of summoning and spirits became more sophisticated and categorized as time went on, obviously.

Djinn, Afrit and marid are Arabic. Imp, Sprite and foliot are common concepts. Oh, and Luciene's wrong. Civilization started in the Middle East, maybe the first major summonings too?

Like Nouda?

Dunno, thinking more like an Afrit or Djinni.

Post wrote: Oh, and Luciene's wrong. Civilization started in the Middle East, maybe the first major summonings too?

Whatever...my point was that summoning probably started at the same time humans became civilized. I didn't take anthropology.

And wasn't Nouda from South America? I think Ramuthra sounds more Asian tho.

I dont think the place it happened in our world would have had much of an effect. Weather it was a marid, an afrit a djinn foliot or imp, it still came from the other place, which is compleatly different from our world. The question is, the method. For a magician to summon a spirit, they need to know its name, otherwise they cant call it. As we know, in the other place, all spirits are the same, they are essentially one large mass.
The question that should really be asked, is when did the first, "naming*" occur, and how?
Personally, I think the method was something to do with the meditative rituals of the shamans and other spiritual people of the ancient cultures. I think the methods were discovered long before Egyptian culture, but i have no idea how long before. If we look right back to the prehistoric peoples, we can see pictures of men with animals heads painted on the walls of caves, this might suggest that origionally, spirits and people worked together peacfully. Maybe there was some sort of schism...

*For want of a better term.

Beleth wrote: this might suggest that origionally, spirits and people worked together peacfully. Maybe there was some sort of schism...

Nice theory, but unless there was some different kind of summoning, I don't see how Sipirts and Humans could work together with the pain of a summonings etc.

What other kinds of summoning could there be? Unless the spirits were given free will in the human world it would be impossible.

Well thats the thing, the spirit may not have been summoned to our world, just called for a meeting in the place between their world and ours. After a few of those, names were bound to have been made up, then magicians/shamans could call spirits directly from the other place to the physical world?