Please re-read my post. I didn't say they were reincarnated. I said that their conciousness, soul, whatever you want to call it, is lost, but the energy making them up is returned to the Other Place.


As for the other skin, I didn't hear a single person saying it was good, just nearly everybody bitching about it. So it got changed. Now loads of people are bitching about this one, and one person said it was good.
Find a better one, or wait until I can make one. I'll take a vote on the colour scheme when I get that far.

Which is basically rebirth.

Lol. Now that has to be annoying.

Ptolemy123 wrote: Which is basically rebirth.

No. The substance making up a spirit is returned to the Other Place - just like if an animal dies it rots down and the nutrients are returned to the earth - but the conciousness is lost.

Homunculi aren't spirits, they're soulless beings of pure evil. You can make one yourself, and you can make a basilisk with a cow and menstrual fluids, apparently. Still, Stroud can make his world however he wants it, but they're generally not spirits, but small humans.

Also, the afterdeath would be oblivion. The Other Place is like home, and once someone dies, you don't return to your house, really. Depending on your belief, I guess.

I also doubt the 'languages would seep around' in a maelstrom of pure energy where chaos reigns and simple thoughts are frowned upon. They all just sit there and swirl about, consciousless, I suppose. I doubt essence would return to the Other Place --- possible spoilers: Bartimaeus says 'No more Jabor'. Meaning, he won't be seeing them again. Their essence mingling once more with the Other Place seems doubtful to me. Not so sure about Jab, because did he die, or just put somewhere else? Was his essence morphed into a breeze by Ramuthra's power?

Oh well, all in all, it doesn't matter.

maybe Jab will be added to Ramuthra's power.

As for the naming of the spirits, I think they already have names. I think I read that they were discovering new names. If they just had to make up a name, would the level depend on the summoning spell? What about those demons that are way too strong for one person to summon? How would they get defined? Barti tells us they exist.

And as for the skin, I don't mind this one. I didn't see the other one, but I think this one is fine. Better than others I have seen.

They could be discovering the names of spirits that were summoned ages ago and then forgotten about.
Yes, the level would depend on the summoning spell.
Very strong spirits - either a very strong magician or multiple magicians, I guess.

Yeah but Nat's Dark magicain skin... *Drools*

But then how about the originian summonings who did then and couldn't Mandrake do it himself?

...what about the original summmonings and Mandrake?

I think its all got to do with their name and its power.

Shadow 7 wrote: maybe Jab will be added to Ramuthra's power.

Doesn't that only happen when they are eaten

Sentynel wrote: ...what about the original summmonings and Mandrake?

Found out the name, first summonings; couldn't new spirits be still summonned?

I dont really think that names are all that important for the spirits, remember that alot of the lower level spirits, mites and what not dont have names, so how do summon them, spirits were summoned by there name, so, how did they summon mites and what not?

Mites still have names, but they're probably so easy to create from the Other Place, nobody bothers to write down names, they just create a new one each time.

No, a name gives power over the summonnee. Mites don't require any extra power to tame; being so weak.

hmmmm, another thing, Barti had a couple of other names, what would have happened if say "simon lovelace" had summoned barti by one of his other names?

The other names weren't his true name, therefore have no power over him.
'Bartimaeus' gives power over him, just as 'Nathaniel' gives power over him.
Nathaniel calls himself John Mandrake to prevent people gaining that power over him.
Ptolemy calls Bartimaeus Rekhet as a courtesy, rather than using his true name.

Actually, spirits can be summoned by many names and each gives the same power over them; in that book about spirits that kitty looked up Bartimaeus in, it said at the end of the exerpt: "names of power include..." then there was a list.

Yes, but his true name is Bartimaeus; Ptolemy uses it to dismiss him.

Bartimaeus is the only name that can be used to summon and dismiss him. Magicians would probably keep that secret to stop others stealing their demons.