I have been wondering wher do demons get their names?

Are their demons like Bartimaeus the Second?

If a demon was to die do their essences go back in to the other place and be called back out with their names changed?


Disscuss awnser and argue if you care to.


Excuse my arogence in my spelling, and using the term demon.....i cant rember how to spell for the life of me how to spell their proper name.

Spirits or djinn.



I think their names are assigned when they're summoned for the first time, as part of the spell that separates them from the mess of the Other Place. Therefore I doubt you'd get Bartimaeus the Second type djinn.

I presume that when they die, their essence loses the definition given to it by the original summoning spell, and gets mixed back into the Other Place. A newly separated djinn could therefore include a part of a dead djinn's essence in its own, but it's highly unlikely that exactly the same part of the energy in the Other Place would be taken for a new djinn.

ok senty

I wonder what's the use of summoning a new demon? You'll have to teach it english first. I don't think a magician will waste his time... unless it's a 'crash' course...

maybe the spirits that were summoned before sort of bleed english int the whole community.

I think spirits don't have to be taught languages in the same way humans do. Maybe there's a spell that gives them a language or something.

maybe spirits are able to talk and be understood by everyone in any language

(the reverse of the bable fish)

No, they can't - Barti mentions other spirits being able or unable to speak certain languages, which wouldn't make any sense if they could speak all languages.

ah ok

I'd imagine that many spirits are created for government use or experimentation. Just a guess, but can't you see Makepeace trying to create the next Ramuthra?

I could imagine him doing someting like that

I suspect only powerful magicians can create new spirits, so it would certainly make sense that many are summoned by governments.

[I presume that when they die, their essence loses the definition given to it by the original summoning spell, and gets mixed back into the Other Place. A newly separated djinn could therefore include a part of a dead djinn's essence in its own, but it's highly unlikely that exactly the same part of the energy in the Other Place would be taken for a new djinn. ]

I disagree with sentynel as batrtimaeus says that in the other place "reverbarations of the losses rang harshly.This implies they are permanently lost.
Variq

Bowles wrote: I'd imagine that many spirits are created for government use or experimentation. Just a guess, but can't you see Makepeace trying to create the next Ramuthra?

Actually; bartimaeus says in the first book, magicains can create spirit. 'Homiculi' or something. Around mite level, me thinks.

which is not very useful

PS what happened to the skin?

Shadow 7 wrote: which is not very useful

PS what happened to the skin?

You asked.
Sentynel changed it. totally uncalled for, in my opinion.

yeah, I liked the old one.

Variq wrote: [I presume that when they die, their essence loses the definition given to it by the original summoning spell, and gets mixed back into the Other Place. A newly separated djinn could therefore include a part of a dead djinn's essence in its own, but it's highly unlikely that exactly the same part of the energy in the Other Place would be taken for a new djinn. ]

I disagree with sentynel as batrtimaeus says that in  the other place "reverbarations of the losses rang harshly.This implies they are permanently lost.
Variq

The spirit's conciousness is lost, yes, but the energy that makes it up isn't - it's returned to the Other Place, I think.





The skin got changed, by both admins - me and Gladstone. People were complaining about the old one. Apparently, nobody likes this one either. If you'd like to find a better one, please, go ahead.

Sentynel wrote:

Variq wrote: [I presume that when they die, their essence loses the definition given to it by the original summoning spell, and gets mixed back into the Other Place. A newly separated djinn could therefore include a part of a dead djinn's essence in its own, but it's highly unlikely that exactly the same part of the energy in the Other Place would be taken for a new djinn. ]

I disagree with sentynel as batrtimaeus says that in  the other place "reverbarations of the losses rang harshly.This implies they are permanently lost.
Variq

The spirit's conciousness is lost, yes, but the energy that makes it up isn't - it's returned to the Other Place, I think.

that's reasonable

Sentynel wrote:

Variq wrote: [I presume that when they die, their essence loses the definition given to it by the original summoning spell, and gets mixed back into the Other Place. A newly separated djinn could therefore include a part of a dead djinn's essence in its own, but it's highly unlikely that exactly the same part of the energy in the Other Place would be taken for a new djinn. ]

I disagree with sentynel as batrtimaeus says that in  the other place "reverbarations of the losses rang harshly.This implies they are permanently lost.
Variq

The spirit's conciousness is lost, yes, but the energy that makes it up isn't - it's returned to the Other Place, I think.





The skin got changed, by both admins - me and Gladstone. People were complaining about the old one. Apparently, nobody likes this one either. If you'd like to find a better one, please, go ahead.

Nope. Oblivion. Bartimaeus refered to death as oblivion in Book I. why would he do that if everybody reincarnated?

Complaining? The preivious skin was good. But you can't please everyone. I sugest a vote.

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