Post Higher Spirit
2 Oct 06 - 06:17
Underwood could have summoned Bartimaeus, but making him do his will would be the part where trouble arises...
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Kitty...
Ptolemy's Gate
Phoenix Utukku
2 Oct 06 - 07:58
True. But we take these things for granted now, do we? Barti is merely a mid-level djinn, but the common magician would have trouble giving him orders?
wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.
2 Oct 06 - 19:42
She's not insulting him so he hears, she's insulting him for the benefit of her companions.Phoenix wrote:There's really no point for insults if the guy's unconscious. He keeps thinking of him throughout Golem's Eye as a child. Like I said, it just seems out of place for a (in this case) 15-year old to think of a 14-year old as a child.wrote: Nate's a magician. He's physically and mentally much younger than Kitty. She's also insulting him.
And don't give me that. Nat's certainly been through a lot more than Kitty. Humiliated by Lovelace, master and wife killed by same person, house burned down, wanted criminal, and went up against a Greater Spirit. Only 12 too.
Kitty's a commoner for a start. She's been attacked by a djinni and seen what it did to her friend, she's been falsely put on trial and fined, she's fought in the Resistance and seen her friends killed.
Nathaniel, however, was guided by Barti for most of what happened. He's lived well in comparison to commoner conditions. What's losing one person with the support, such as it is, of Barti, compared to watching friends killed by the magicians with no one to turn to?
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Adele Djinni
2 Oct 06 - 19:54
I think that Nat and Kitty equally had rough times, but Nat put himself in most of those situations and Kitty just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Nat went after Lovelace first and chose to go up against a greater spirit.
Kitty didn't know Honoronious(Sorry don't have the book to look up how it is really spelled) was in the tomb, and was set up, for trying to do something to help the commoners.
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Nat went after Lovelace first and chose to go up against a greater spirit.
Kitty didn't know Honoronious(Sorry don't have the book to look up how it is really spelled) was in the tomb, and was set up, for trying to do something to help the commoners.
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Artemis Afrit
2 Oct 06 - 22:44
They both had pretty rough lives, just in different ways. Once you really start thinking about it, they're kind of hard to compare until their stories intersect.
I say night I'm living in the forest of my dream,
I know the night is not as it would seem,
I must believe in something,
So I'll make myself believe it,
That this night will never go.
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Oh, Canada...
I know the night is not as it would seem,
I must believe in something,
So I'll make myself believe it,
That this night will never go.
Laura Branigan, Self-control
Oh, Canada...
Mwamba Higher Spirit
2 Oct 06 - 23:20
Both of them have had harsher lives than most.
But Kitty is more mature though. She's more humble and does not have her head aloof in propaganda, thus she's going to grow up faster mentally.
And there's the fact that girls tend to mature faster then boys too. :D
And for the 'he's only a kid comment,' there's nothing unusual about that. Like, for example, if you're a ninth grader, chances are you've said comments like 'the little eighth grader' before.
She was being facile when she said that.
But Kitty is more mature though. She's more humble and does not have her head aloof in propaganda, thus she's going to grow up faster mentally.
And there's the fact that girls tend to mature faster then boys too. :D
And for the 'he's only a kid comment,' there's nothing unusual about that. Like, for example, if you're a ninth grader, chances are you've said comments like 'the little eighth grader' before.
She was being facile when she said that.
流口水的婊子和猴子的笨儿子。
Phoenix Utukku
3 Oct 06 - 08:38
Perhaps you're right. I still believe Kitty's 2 years older than Nat. Could someone ask Stroud?
And yes, both have led hard lives, and emotionally, Kitty was probably more affected, but the true horrors were reserved for Nat.
And yes, both have led hard lives, and emotionally, Kitty was probably more affected, but the true horrors were reserved for Nat.
wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.
Post Higher Spirit
3 Oct 06 - 13:40
I pray you are right, phonny. If only to spite shippers...
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Phoenix Utukku
3 Oct 06 - 14:31
Don't worry, that wouldn't make a lick of difference. 17 year old and 19 year old is good.
wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.
Post Higher Spirit
3 Oct 06 - 15:33
Age differences are a bit akward, if you don't ignore them...
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Phoenix Utukku
3 Oct 06 - 19:18
2 years isn't that much.
wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.
Malachi Mouler
30 Oct 06 - 12:37
Theres only a years differance, not two.
Phoenix Utukku
1 Nov 06 - 05:17
I had quite the convincing argument against that, but it's been so long, so I forgot. So I'll just settle with that she didn't appear 13 to me during the Scrying Glass incident. It'd be a good question to ask Stroud, though.
wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.
1 Nov 06 - 16:47
That argument is on the previous page of this thread.
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pi-fan92 Ghul
1 Nov 06 - 20:27
it's not clear exactly what the age difference is between them. from what i've gathered it's anywhere from 1 to 2 years.Malachi wrote: Theres only a years differance, not two.
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2 Nov 06 - 18:17
It states both of their ages - Nat's in the first book, Kitty's in the second, and the time passed between the two.
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Phoenix Utukku
2 Nov 06 - 18:21
Erm, mind telling me the page, or general area? Because they do indeed give the ages of Kitti in the second, but the ages they give are of past events, like Kitty being 13 during the Tumbler incident and so on.
wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.
pi-fan92 Ghul
2 Nov 06 - 20:34
i don't know about in GE but in PG when kitty summoned bartimaeus in a foot note he says that she looked about 18. i'll have to get back to you with the direct quote.
EDIT:
and in GE it says somewhere that the incident with tallow was three years ago when she was 13. but i have no idea where it says that.
EDIT:
wrote:How old was she now? Around eighteen, at a guess.
and in GE it says somewhere that the incident with tallow was three years ago when she was 13. but i have no idea where it says that.
I am the unofficial ruler of the world.
If you disaggree with this I will send my army of evil garden gnomes to attack you.
It's as simple as that.
my dA page
my LJ page
loyal supporter of nat/kitty
If you disaggree with this I will send my army of evil garden gnomes to attack you.
It's as simple as that.
my dA page
my LJ page
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2 Nov 06 - 21:17
I've not even got my copies of AoS and GE. My sister lost them. Besides, I doubt I have the same version as you - I presume you get the US version in Puerto Rico?
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Phoenix Utukku
3 Nov 06 - 06:15
The one with the Minotaur on the cover? Yes.
wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.