lol i can see that

I don't.
But I;m saying, people do that in bathrooms.
Sheesh.
Like talkin to a wall over here.

Dansariki wrote:Like talkin to a wall over here.

Well it's like making jokes to a zombie over here.

kitty was defitinitely liked more by bartimaes but I think at the end bart liked nat right before he died

Bartimaeus had a friendship and liked both Kitty and Nathaniel, but expressed this in different ways.

I seriously doubt he liked Nat.
More like tolerated.

He liked Nathaniel by the end of the third book.

Definately.

Dansariki wrote:I seriously doubt he liked Nat.
More like tolerated.

:D
Well, that exactly fits into the Bart's individuality. But I hope that Bart (towards the end) liked Nat as much as he liked Kitty. I dunno why, but it bothers me.

If anything, he'd like Kitty more.
I'll give you that much, but I'll refer to it as tolerated with a dosage of grudging respect.
Since, after all, Nat wasn't the typical magician.

But Nat changed completely in the end. He became as good as Ptolemy(atleast in my eyes). If I was Bart, I would like & respect him more for realizing his mistake & changing accordingly. It takes a lot of courage to do that. Ptolemy on the other hand, was born noble. I'm not suggesting that it lessens Ptolemy's goodness in any way, but Nat might have remained virtuous if not for his accomplices

Nah, one good act does not a saint make.
Ptolemy was good period, Nat had things to make up for.

Nat would have continued his good job had he survived. And he made up for his mistakes by the end of PG itself.

I agree, sort of. Bartimaeus liked Nathaniel when he was younger, and was happy to see him regain some of the qualities he'd lost. True, he still had a lot to make up for, but I think Bart liked him by the end.

I think he liked Nat more. At first glace I would have said Kitty in a heartbeat. After all, she went to the Other Place, and definitely reminded him more of Ptolemy.
I don't think we can say who he liked more based on who trusted him more. Both trusted him with their lives equally. The reason I say that I think in the end he liked Nat more is because of the history they have. Yes, I know what everyone's going to say, Nat was positively evil towards him in GE and PG, but then again, that was Mandrake. I think even Bart knew that somewhere inside, Nathaniel and John were completely different. In the beginning Bart had started to like Nat, saying that he wasn't like other magicians, and there were even little instances throughout PG when Nat showed small, fleeting kindnesses, like dismissing him when he was dying (for lack of a better word), even though Nat and Farrar needed the information he had. He knew that he could have chosen not to dismiss Bart and get that information, but he chose to help Bart even though it meant the serious disapproval of Farrar and others. These small things in all three books were what proved that no matter how much of an a*****e Mandrake became, he still had an emotional connect to bart, whether he wanted to admit it or not.

I just think that in the end, Bart saw more and more of the young Nat, the one he had always liked. Plus, Kitty went to the Other Place partly for her own benefit, i.e. To gain the trust of the djinn so that they would help her and the people restore peace in London. It wasn't purely for the sake of knowledge and love, like it was in Ptolemy's case. Nat, on the other hand, saved Bart's life, and in doing so, willingly sacrificed his own.

Plus, I liked Nat alot more, so I like to think that Bart did too :p

Um... who here seriously read all that? :P

Skimmed it. I pretty much agree.

Queezle7 wrote:Skimmed it. I pretty much agree.

Your answers are very similar to Dansariki's...

Welcome back.

I would say that Bartimaeus definitely felt some fondness and certainly a lot of respect for Nathaniel at the end, but I think that he liked Kitty more because of her dedication to justice and her willingness to see Bart as an equal. Also, she reminded him of Ptolemy.

Nat had an awful lot of assiness to make up for.

(Thanks Nero. I copy the best.)
Nat's original cockiness was merely more endearing, I think...