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Phoenix Utukku
23 Sep 06 - 00:19
Bah. You can easily tell a spirit "Follow X's every command". He told Bartimaeus he wouldn't give him the most difficult jobs, meaning fighting in America, which means he did indeed have spirits, and strong ones, in there.
wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.
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Artemis Afrit
23 Sep 06 - 01:03
Exactly! And before he losta lot of his strength from being on earth too long, Barti had an excellent track record. This only proves the point that Nat must've liked him just a bit, or else he coukd've just sent him off to the good ol' US of A with the original instructions of not telling anyone his birth name etc.
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Phoenix Utukku
23 Sep 06 - 01:04
Like Barty concludes, Nat did not want to part with whatever bit of Nathaniel he had left. Dismissing Bartimaeus, or sending him to America, was then out of the question.
wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.
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23 Sep 06 - 01:21
Actually, Nat just said he wouldn't put Barti's name on the Duty roster thingy. He couldn't control Barti from England.
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Phoenix Utukku
23 Sep 06 - 01:23
Yes he could. If Nat gives Barti direct order to follow any and every command the General or whatever gives, what can Barti do? But he knows the birth name, making him a tad more dangerous.
wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.
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23 Sep 06 - 01:27
Nat can't punish him from Britain.
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Phoenix Utukku
23 Sep 06 - 02:35
Does it actually say anywhere afrits are dumber than djinni?
wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.
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23 Sep 06 - 11:43
No, but it's assumed that they've got so much raw power they don't need to be geniuses.
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Phoenix Utukku
23 Sep 06 - 11:57
Psss. With that logic, shoudn't mites have killer IQs?
wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.
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23 Sep 06 - 17:33
Lol. I think it depends on each spirit, not a general IQ.
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Phoenix Utukku
23 Sep 06 - 22:19
wrote: Nat can't punish him from Britain.
Nat hardly punished anyway. With a marid general, I don't think many spirits are willing to say "no".
wrote: Lol. I think it depends on each spirit, not a general IQ.
Exactly. Which is why I don't understand why you all think afrits are dumber.
wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.
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23 Sep 06 - 23:59
Actually, I think you said afrits were stupider. I'm too lazy to check. ;)
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Phoenix Utukku
24 Sep 06 - 02:30
No, I said that with the logic that strength means stupidity, mites should have killer IQs.
wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.
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24 Sep 06 - 12:19
Mites, imps and foliots are too weak to be especially powerful or intelligent.
There's a definite correlation between strength and intelligence, though. Barti is relatively weak but pretty clever. Jabor is much stronger and nowhere near as intelligent. Right up to Ramuthra, who's only a bit above your average mite in the intelligence stakes, but stupidly powerful.
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Ianna Marid
24 Sep 06 - 12:19
But they really don't.

Even though intelligence supposedly varies.

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Ianna Marid
24 Sep 06 - 12:34
Why can't power be given out to those with brains?

Well, it is some of the time but...

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Artemis Afrit
24 Sep 06 - 15:47
I agree.

Barti deserves it.
I say night I'm living in the forest of my dream,
I know the night is not as it would seem,
I must believe in something,
So I'll make myself believe it,
That this night will never go.


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Ianna Marid
24 Sep 06 - 15:52
And Queezle.

Though she's dead.

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Phoenix Utukku
24 Sep 06 - 22:45
wrote: But they really don't.
Exactly. Meaning we shouldn't say afrits are dumber than djinni just because they're strong.
wrote: Mites, imps and foliots are too weak to be especially powerful or intelligent.
There's a definite correlation between strength and intelligence, though. Barti is relatively weak but pretty clever. Jabor is much stronger and nowhere near as intelligent.
We can't really judge these things on singular examples. Faguarl was every bit as clever as Barti, and much stronger. We've never seen anyone actually talking to, say, a marid.
wrote:Right up to Ramuthra, who's only a bit above your average mite in the intelligence stakes, but stupidly powerful.
The guy was being summoned. He wasn't going to say "Hello chaps, fancy a bit of sport?".



wrote:According to some, heroic deaths are admirable things. I've never been convinced by this argument, mainly because, no matter how cool, stylish, composed, unflappable, manly or defiant you are, at the end of the day you're also dead.
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25 Sep 06 - 19:20
Phoenix wrote:
wrote: Mites, imps and foliots are too weak to be especially powerful or intelligent.
There's a definite correlation between strength and intelligence, though. Barti is relatively weak but pretty clever. Jabor is much stronger and nowhere near as intelligent.
We can't really judge these things on singular examples. Faguarl was every bit as clever as Barti, and much stronger. We've never seen anyone actually talking to, say, a marid.
Faquarl is the exception as far as what we see in the trilogy goes. It's a correlation based on the data we have, not an absolute fact.
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wrote:Right up to Ramuthra, who's only a bit above your average mite in the intelligence stakes, but stupidly powerful.
The guy was being summoned. He wasn't going to say "Hello chaps, fancy a bit of sport?".
None of the other spirits we see getting summoned just sit there quietly, and once Ramuthra's been summoned it just stomps around killing stuff on command.
Plus, Ramuthra's speech takes the form of "I SEE NO WOMAN" or something along those lines. Barti, Faquarl or even Jabor would have managed something a little more eloquent than that.
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