Bartimaeus Trilogy in Essays?

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Whew, many many many replies! Thank you for the inordinate number of excellent comments everybody.
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I think this is definitely a viable idea, and a good one too. If you do end up writing the essay, I'd be really interested to read it!

I think that the reason the Bartimaeus Trilogy is considered some of the best children's/teen books out there is because behind all the action, adventure and magic, there is meaning, there is definitely commentary, perhaps not only on social class but also on literature (JS mentioned that he wrote the trilogy because the idea came into his head to reverse the traditional idea that the demon is in control of the magician, and not vice versa). Honestly, now that you've mentioned your possible topic, it makes me want to go write an essay on the trilogy too, incorporating some of the things I've mentioned ^^ and lots of information about the perception of 'magic' and 'magicians' in history.

If you decide to write this essay, good luck and enjoy! It sounds like a challenging but fun endeavor. :)

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Hahaha, thank you for the compliments. Actually, after the IB Programme is done and dusted for me, I think I'll consider sending the essay to whoever wants to read it... The thought of writing an essay simply for the grade and not to actually make a statement of something unnerves me for some reason =P.

I completely agree, and that's the reason why the Trilogy has been on my list of possible choices. In actuality, I've already decided upon the Trilogy as the heart of my essay, and its coming along quite well =P.

Thank you very much.
wrote: The Bartimaeus Trilogy should be classed as a work of fiction, not children's literature.
But, hey, it is.
That being as it is, I agree with everything posted above, and, while I'm not in the IB program (have friends who are, I'm near an AP diploma, for what it's worth) I think would be a good idea to make it fairly all-encompassing - not a problem in an essay like this.
Archetypes are always nice, as is the underlying mythology.
This was commented on by my mother after I asked her to read the trilogy (She loved it) and she went on quite a rant about Stroud, praising him for drawing from mythology (I particularly like the naming schemes) and his attention to detail in the government.
Stroud's use of alternate history, and fictional explanations for actual, but mysterious events (Atlantis and Nouda's hand in the destruction of the Aztecs) were some of my favorite aspects of it. The opening sequence in Golem's Eye and the flashbacks in Ptolemy's Gate were, by and large, my favorite parts of the series.
The nice thing about having the Master-Slave relationship throughout history allows for the cautionary tale you mentioned to applied to anything you can come up with - much of the Trilogy's idea and lessons work for history.
And... I caution against coming of age angle.
It's old.
Nice, but boring.
Least, says every english teacher I've had.

Stress detail.
Rosemary, Iron, Silver, Cat's sight on two planes, all of it.

Have fun, good luck.
I do agree, however making it too all encompassing would completely bust me over the 4000 word limit ;P My introduction alone is about 800 words... I'll need the rest of the words for the symbolism in all three books, I think XD.

As for the coming of age angle, I too felt that it was somewhat stale for my tastes... I'm sticking with my symbolistic tale interpretation.

As for details.... I've come up with an incredible interpretation for the "circular" motif in all three main objects throughout all three books - the Amulet, the Eye, and the Gate... which I refuse to put on here since my school uses an internet scouring plaigiarism service, and woe is me if I get accused of plaigiarizing... my own words. XD Just to be safe. ;P

Thank you so very much. :mouth:
wrote: I did the IB program!! OMG IT WAS TERRIBLE!!! I was awarded the diploma but barely. Now doing it on Bartimaues will be hard. I'm only saying that because you're gonna need a very strong thesis that will take you to 4000 words, and I read through the EE curriculum, and it is tough. Now you said you were gonna write about social classes. Well this is not an English thesis statement. That is more political. So If I were you, I would rethink about English and go into Political Science category. But I can definitely help if you need anymore help, being that I gave up my whole life for IB, and I know quite a bit about it. GOOD LUCK!!! And don't die.
Aha, another fellow sufferer. XD Mmm yes, that's a point I'm well aware of - English EE's tend to deviate from the original subject, and to go on tangents about topics completely unrelated to the English grading rubric. Which is why I am doing an English EE on how Stroud uses English devices (i.e. symbolism in my case, plus other things hopefully) to achieve the goal of serving as a cautionary tale.

Don't die, eh? It's quite alright, zombies don't die, and I'm already a zombie from doing 4 HLs.... fuhuhuhu

Thank you very much for the advice.


pentiumxp4000 wrote:The thought of writing an essay simply for the grade and not to actually make a statement of something unnerves me for some reason =P.
Your integrity sickens me. :P
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wrote: I did the IB program!! OMG IT WAS TERRIBLE!!! I was awarded the diploma but barely. Now doing it on Bartimaues will be hard. I'm only saying that because you're gonna need a very strong thesis that will take you to 4000 words, and I read through the EE curriculum, and it is tough. Now you said you were gonna write about social classes. Well this is not an English thesis statement. That is more political. So If I were you, I would rethink about English and go into Political Science category. But I can definitely help if you need anymore help, being that I gave up my whole life for IB, and I know quite a bit about it. GOOD LUCK!!! And don't die.
Aha, another fellow sufferer. XD Mmm yes, that's a point I'm well aware of - English EE's tend to deviate from the original subject, and to go on tangents about topics completely unrelated to the English grading rubric. Which is why I am doing an English EE on how Stroud uses English devices (i.e. symbolism in my case, plus other things hopefully) to achieve the goal of serving as a cautionary tale.

Don't die, eh? It's quite alright, zombies don't die, and I'm already a zombie from doing 4 HLs.... fuhuhuhu

Thank you very much for the advice.
Oh ok. Symbolism and all those other types of literary devices are numerous in these books. 4HLs is crazy. Especially Physics, So dont take that HL, unless you already did.

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Canis Lupus wrote:Especially Physics, So dont take that HL, unless you already did.
I like to think Physics is tricky but rewarding.
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I'd go with challenging, instead of tricky, but I agree.
I don't have have it (yet, Physics H/AP next year), but a lot of my friends do (the ones that didn't do Chem AP), and it seems alright.
I actually like math, but I'm not sure I'll do Phys AP.
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Sentynel wrote:
Canis Lupus wrote:Especially Physics, So dont take that HL, unless you already did.
I like to think Physics is tricky but rewarding.
You wont think that if you took an IB Physics exam at higher level. I love Physics though.

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Canis Lupus wrote:
Sentynel wrote:
Canis Lupus wrote:Especially Physics, So dont take that HL, unless you already did.
I like to think Physics is tricky but rewarding.
You wont think that if you took an IB Physics exam at higher level. I love Physics though.
I'm doing an undergraduate degree in Physics, I think I could probably cope with IB higher..
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Sentynel wrote:
Canis Lupus wrote:
Sentynel wrote:
Canis Lupus wrote:Especially Physics, So dont take that HL, unless you already did.
I like to think Physics is tricky but rewarding.
You wont think that if you took an IB Physics exam at higher level. I love Physics though.
I'm doing an undergraduate degree in Physics, I think I could probably cope with IB higher..
At Oxford too. O.O
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Sentynel wrote:
Canis Lupus wrote:
Sentynel wrote:
Canis Lupus wrote:Especially Physics, So dont take that HL, unless you already did.
I like to think Physics is tricky but rewarding.
You wont think that if you took an IB Physics exam at higher level. I love Physics though.
I'm doing an undergraduate degree in Physics, I think I could probably cope with IB higher..
At Oxford too. O.O
Well, he doesn't know Sent as well as we do :P .
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Sentynel wrote:
Canis Lupus wrote:
Sentynel wrote:
Canis Lupus wrote:Especially Physics, So dont take that HL, unless you already did.
I like to think Physics is tricky but rewarding.
You wont think that if you took an IB Physics exam at higher level. I love Physics though.
I'm doing an undergraduate degree in Physics, I think I could probably cope with IB higher..
At Oxford too. O.O
Oh nice. Yeah then it should be cake for you.

Sent's our resident smart person.

At least to me 'cuz I loathe Physics.
Pentium wrote: As for details.... I've come up with an incredible interpretation for the "circular" motif in all three main objects throughout all three books - the Amulet, the Eye, and the Gate... which I refuse to put on here since my school uses an internet scouring plaigiarism service, and woe is me if I get accused of plaigiarizing... my own words. XD Just to be safe. ;P
That would be evil. Though I'm sure a lot of us would like to read it when it's marked.

I can't really help with the literature analysis, been awhile since I've done English courses and my school puts little empasis on analysis anyway.
wrote:I do agree, however making it too all encompassing would completely bust me over the 4000 word limit ;P My introduction alone is about 800 words... I'll need the rest of the words for the symbolism in all three books, I think XD.
A word limit. Ew. *has a tendency to ramble* (even though I don't think I've written anything over 4000 words in my life) But if you have to cut your introduction for the body, so be it, better that than the important stuff.

Also can someone explain AP, EE, HL, IB etc. (abreviation overload, hehe).


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AP - Advanced Placement
High School classes that, depending on the applicant college, give college credit.
IB - nternational Baccalaureate
Not much more I can say, other than it's an equal to AP here, the way teachers talk about it.
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AP World History was such a bitch last year. Probably the hardest class I'll take in my high school career.

Edit: But it was fun, for some reason or another.
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AP World History was alright last year, I have AP Chem this year, my World History teacher wouldn't spring me for US History AP.
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Our APWH teacher was both ridiculously tall and obnoxiously intelligent. He made you feel both short and stupid, no matter what you said. I will never forget his Punishment Glare.

By the way, how did you do on that test?
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Got a 3, not too bad.
Our teacher was great.
Unfortunately, not teaching at our school anymore, moved to one in NLV.
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Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome.
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There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
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Hey guys--!!

To everyone that helped me out here in this thread, A BIG THANK YOU!!!

I finally finished my Essay. =D

All that's left is revision, and I'm done!!

THANKS TO EVERYONE IN THIS FORUM!! =D =D =D

P.S. When the essay's finalized, I'd be happy to distribute the essay, if anyone's interested.
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pentiumxp4000 wrote:P.S. When the essay's finalized, I'd be happy to distribute the essay, if anyone's interested.
Sure, I'll read a copy. I could even help edit if you like...
Ooh! Me too.

I like editing, 'cuz I'm too lazy to write myself. :P

How long'd you have to write the essay anyway?


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Why not just post a copy onto the forum?

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