aiReY-chan wrote:I think Nat's flaws were just as bad as Kitty's, if not worse, no matter how comically Barti described them. It's just that they seemed more In Character, if you get what I mean.

Eg, Nathaniel turning into "The Great and Powerful John Mandrake", despite of Bartimaeus warning him, was something you'd expect from him. It wasn't exactly predictable, and if it was, it wasn't predictable enough to make me think it was boring. He treated Barti like crap, and, although I hated that, it didn't disappoint me. He had a reason to act that way.

On the other hand you have Kitty: determined, strong-headed, badass, and pretty violent, cold, a terrorist at the same time -she's got both great values and flaws. One day she summons Bartimaeus wanting him to be part of her "demons-and-commoners-together-forevahh" plan. When Barti rejects it, she acts as if everything was his fault, in a pretty childlish way, something that makes me feel disappointed. That's not how Kitty would act. It's Out of Character, and that's what bothers me.

n&B wrote:Bart>Nat>Kitty

Indie wrote:Nat>Bart>Kitty

Barti>Nat=Ptolemy>Kitty for me. :)

That is exactly what I meant. We expect Kitty to behave in a certain way because she is depicted as such. And when she didn't, in a few cases, we end up being disappointed. Nat was never shown to be as good, strong-headed or badass as Kitty, so whatever he did didn't seem so much out of character. Kitty was someone who always seemed to have the moral high ground and she knew it.

Indie wrote:yeah, i see your point, the fact that nat and bart were made comical make you take them less seriously (specially nat). i didn't look at it like that but i see your point.

I don't like it either. It is just why I think some people react like that.

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indie2 wrote:how the hell do you multi quote? *stares in wonder*

I could have multi-quoted more if you had typed your post earlier. =p
You can see the 'quote' button when you click full screen reply? Copy someone's sentence and highlight it and click that button. Or, inversely, you could click 'quote' button first and paste someone's sentence within the brackets. And then, if you want the member's name mentioned, you add '=Indie' after the quote.

Indie wrote: Like this. =p

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Oi, I didn't type [/quote] to make it a quote. It is automatic?

aiReY-chan wrote:On the other hand you have Kitty: determined, strong-headed, badass, and pretty violent, cold, a terrorist at the same time -she's got both great values and flaws. One day she summons Bartimaeus wanting him to be part of her "demons-and-commoners-together-forevahh" plan. When Barti rejects it, she acts as if everything was his fault, in a pretty childlish way, something that makes me feel disappointed. That's not how Kitty would act. It's Out of Character, and that's what bothers me.

*That* was the thing i forgot. (I'm rather annoyed at myself for forgetting, now people will think i'm jumping on your opinion when i'm not ^o) . yeah, i was going to say that. i hated the bit where she summoned barti, it was kinda cringy the way she acted, it was so out of character and not at all the reaction i expected. It seemed kinda fangirly, all airheaded and girly; not two things i associate with the girl at all. she seemed so confident in herself and all of a sudden she going goo goo cause she managed to summon a jinni. i expected her to be of the opinion that if a magician could do it then she could do it too and be a bit attitudey about it. It was dissapointing...

And I'm liking the topic revival. i was looking through the old posts the other day and wanted to but didn't :D

Magicians made demon summonings sound difficult and, in all honesty, it is a dangerous art. She herself was lucky once when she mispronounced a word. She took it as one must take it. To expect her to be very confident wouldn't make it seem very likely.

And, about the Bart summoning, I think it was stupid of her to think Bart would help her and feel angry when he rejected her stupid proposal, but her reaction wasn't really surprising. She just believed in her cause strongly and she knew it was a noble cause too (albeit idiotic. Esp. to expect some pact from Bartimaeus in the beginning itself and with no sacrifice on her part). But, deluded or not, she had hopes and spent three years working to fulfill it. So obviously, if it is rejected out of hand she would definitely feel disappointed and bitter and angry and think things 'out of character'.

Indie wrote: it was so out of character and not at all the reaction i expected. It seemed kinda fangirly, all airheaded and girly

That's it. She was all like "OMG I'VE SUMMONED A DJINNI I'M SO COOL AND HAPPY AND HYPER WHOOT".
Besides, I hated that part because when Barti refused to cooperate with her she went:
"What about Ptolemy, huh? So that stupid egyptian boy was worth it, isn't that so?". Or something along those lines -at least in the Spanish version.
She had no right to say that. Ptolemy is not stupid. *sob sob*. From what we get to read from Barti's flashback in PG, he was really sweet and really cared for spirits :wub: . I'm surprised Barti even spoke to her after that.

Looks like we posted our replies simultaneously. =p
Here I'm surfing for sites to find out which cell phone to buy (getting a new one today. =D) and I post every half an hour or so and still we are managing to post together every time.

wrote: She was all like "OMG I'VE SUMMONED A DJINNI I'M SO COOL AND HAPPY AND HYPER WHOOT".

She wasn't like that. What she said when she immediately summoned Bart was, I think, her being more glad than proud. She was just happy she achieved part of her goal and liked seeing his shocked expression too, I think. It just amused her, I suppose.

wrote: Besides, I hated that part because when Barti refused to cooperate with her she went:
"What about Ptolemy, huh? So that stupid egyptian boy was worth it, isn't that so?". Or something along those lines -at least in the Spanish version.
She had no right to say that. Ptolemy is not stupid. *sob sob*. From what we get to read from Barti's flashback in PG, he was really sweet and really cared for spirits :wub: . I'm surprised Barti even spoke to her after that.

She didn't know about Ptolemy then, did she? She just knew he was known to be close to his spirits, and she said she would be the same. She later asked Bart to help her in Ptolemy's name, so she did understand his sacrifice later on.

n&B wrote:She wasn't like that

True, not exactly. I overdid it, I admit. She said that "she was really happy all had turned out fine", and Barti added that she was so happy that she almost hugged herself -or Kitty herself thought that (?) (it that makes any sense in English. Mine is the Spanish version, mind you). She did act OoC, tho.

n&B wrote:She later asked Bart to help her in Ptolemy's name, so she did understand his sacrifice later on.

Well, of course she understood, later on, she did the awesome and went to the Other Place herself. But it wasn't exactly smart to call Ptolemy stupid the first time, when she was trying to gain Bartimaeus' trust. That's what I meant.

Or maybe I just feel like hatin' on Kitty today.

I just mean't she sounded like she over-reacted. at least that's what i got from the way barti explained it, although barti does exagerate quite a bit so maybe it was just the way he told the scene, then again he explained what she did and that he couldn't exagerate. it was something about her jumping up and down.

anyway. yeah, i expected her to be happy about it, yeah. proud of herself, definitely. smirk, given. not happy the way she acted. she was a bit childish too, the way she trusted him and the way she generally acted towards him. It was strange considering before she was so smart and meticulous with hiding herself and with the resistance.

i dunno, it seemed out of character. i need to read the scene again...

Wow, here I am totally ready to revive this topic before I realized that everything I wanted to say has already been said. Bummer. Oh well, I'll just say it anyways. Oh, all of you Kitty fans out there should probably stop reading (although according to this poll, Kitty fans do not exist). I LOVED Bartimaeus because of the reason why everybody else loves Bartimaeus, his humor. Nathaniel was also a pretty interesting character to read about. He impressed me in the first book, made me hate his guts in the second book, and made me cry for him in the last. His character development was really one of the main reasons why I felt like continuing the trilogy. Kitty however, was an entirely different story. Her brief appearance in the AoS intrigued me and made me want to find out more about her. In GE, her past gave some pretty interesting bg information on her. Not tragic, but it gave a pretty good reason for her to join the rebellion. Sadly my opinion of her dropped from that point on. From then on I kind of just saw her as an arrogant character who thought her ideas were genius when, IMO, they were kinda cliched. Just when I thought my opinon of her could go no lower, it did dramatically in PG for the same reasons I'm sure everybody else had.

In conclusion, Bart>Nat>Kitty forever

YAY FOR TOPIC REVIVAL!

Syrup wrote:In conclusion, Bart>Nat>Kitty forever

Choose Bart for fave but Nat 4 least fave. Nat was grand in the 1st book but i just didnt lyk him at all in the second and not so much in the third either

Wow, :( . Any reasons for Nat-hate?

I just didnt warm to him at all. Dunno why really :/

Well, Nat is awesome, because he's so AWESOME, I know that's not a reason, but he's still my fave character even when he's being a magician, cuz he's... well, he's just... I give up.
And Kitty, I don't like her all that much , I don't know why, but she annoys me... That and the fact that she totally mugged Nathaniel in the first book.

GP wrote:Well, Nat is awesome, because he's so AWESOME.

That's a nice way to put it. :P

EDIT: Why is the forum so dead lately? :-/

aiReY-chan wrote:EDIT: Why is the forum so dead lately? :-/

It's exam season for a lot of us.

Hi, I'm the one Kitty fan on these boards, apparently.
She does come across as arrogant, but I think that's sort of the point: she think the resistance is all righteous and later realises that they weren't so great after all. I don't know....I just like her, okay? I would say I actually like her better than Nat - but only by a little bit! *cowers*

I like her to

favorite - bartimaeus, because well he's bart enough said ^^
least favorite - Nat, i really don't know why. he just annoys me.

My favorite character is Bartimaeus (big WHOOP, everybody likes him), because he's practically the only one in that little world that utilizes sarcasm, and wit! (besides the human Kitty of course), and It's refreshing!
My least favorite character? Nathaniel, (but only in the second book, and start of third book) Becuase... he was generally turning into one of those 'ambitious/powerful' wizards. (they really are selfish, and nosy). But I almost had a heart attack when he told Kitty his real name; that was the most amazing part in the book, and I like him from that page until... he died. Hmph.

to the forum!

If you had to give each of the main characters a title, what would it be? Not something as simple as Alexander the Great.