So I was reading AoS one day, and I came across Bartimaeus's description of Ramuthra and the thing that really caught my attention was how it could warp the elements.

Then just last week, I reread GE and Bartimaeus had said that even marids could be destroyed by the golem, as it defied all possible magic, no matter how powerful. The only damage would be the darkness cloak around its body.

So I'm thinking if we toss them both into an indestructible arena, who would we destroyed first? Yes, a golem can cancel out all magic, but Ramuthra actually messes with the molecules and nature altogether.

So then Ramuthra would break down the clay man....

Or is the element warping fully magical, and that the golem could easily withstand Ramuthra?

Thoughts anyone?

I think the golem could probably do it. Though if magicians knew how to destroy demons, it would probably be used more often.

Magicians do know how to destroy demons. The shrivelling fire.

Edit: yes I know this wouldn't work for Ramuthra. I was being a smartarse.

Finally, an answer! :P

But that's only in the pentacle. Outside of it, they're vulnerable without their djinn.

It may be possible that the golems 'forcefield' or whatever protects it from Ramuthras magic. or something like that anyway. I'm pretty sure the golem would win.

I'm going to have to vote for the golem here. Ramuthra's warping is still a magical effect.

plus golem is a fun word.

The Shriveling Fire is only if a spirit purposefully and knowingly disobeyed an order.
Doesn't happen often.
I'd have to go with Sent- Ramuthra warps spirit's magic, which Golems are immune to.
Ramuthra is still, however powerful, a creature of the same magic that Golems resist.

id vote for ramathura
cuz i read in the second book how a golem was distroyed by some djinn
it was in there somewhere in the book
anyways
ramathura is way to powerful for even a golem

Er...maybe the djinn destroyed the golem the same way that Kitty destroyed one. Oh, I don't know, I'm just too lazy to go back and re-read GE.

Reading books can be a heck of a chore sometimes. -_-

Djinn can't touch golems at all so there's no way they could get the scrolls out. The only golems I remember getting destroyed in the second book other than the one Kitty got were defeated because djinn found and killed their masters.

Yeah, I think the golem would win this one, although it would definitely be a fun fight to watch (from a safe distance).

Agreed. I tend to see it in a different way though:

Using Avada Kedavra on a rock.

Ahh, definetly the best way to put it.
My vote's stilll for the Golem.

lol, golems are a lot more common in the Barti world than ramuthra is. so i think that ramuthra could own a golem.

Heh.
Makes sense.
I doubt even a squad of Golems would be able to subdue Ramuthra.

ramuthra would win. obviously. :D

sharingansaber wrote:ramuthra would win. obviously. :D

Interesting.

How so?

How not?

Higher Spirit versus five Golems.