Barti guessed that it was the first time Ramuthra had been summoned.

Informative Guest wrote: Mr Penny Feather said his arm got cut off or whatever by a Marid he was questioning. He summoned that one alone.....

You're thinking about Mr Button from Book 3, who got his leg blown off by a marid he summoned because he forgot one simple clause. ;)

But what demon could get close to Ramuthra without being destroyed? She herself is like the Amulet of Samarkand. She drains other spirits of their powers+warps the borders of magic.

another spirit of the same kind, though I would NOT like to be anywhere close when those two face off!

wrote:Lord Nouda  Posted on Dec 17 2005, 03:34 AM
  But what demon could get close to Ramuthra without being destroyed? She herself is like the Amulet of Samarkand. She drains other spirits of their powers+warps the borders of magic.

Unless with the spirit in a human body it's essence was safe from Ramuthra's effects

Even humans are affected. Remember that in the first book some human's appearances and genders were altered. That showed how powerful Ramuthra really is. Even the afrits haven't got a chance against her.

^duh: even MARIDS havnt a chance against her

what about a few marids?!

^_^ ^_^

perhaps... even she cant withstand multiple spirits like the marids.

Who'd you think would win if Nouda and Ramuthra actually went head to head?

Nouda. Ramuthra is strong but...

Spoilers for the babies who haven't read book 3 yet:

Ramuthra would apparently win. Anyway, why does it matter? The matchup is impossible so comparing two things when you know about 1/20th of their power is asinine. We know barely nothing of Nouda and we know Ramuthra can warp the fabric of reality. Under the circumstances you'd say Ramuthra because the rift would most likely just absorb Nouda, but the rift was not Ramuthra's power as much as it was just the portal it came through. Nouda was also incredibly powerful and survived a full-on assault from the Staff(at least the controllable part of it), and on the other hand Ramuthra would have just diverted it.

I'd say Ramuthra because

a.) Nouda wouldn't be able to touch it with magic, for the spirit bent reality and all attacks disappeared.

b.) It couldn't get close enough for a melee assault without being considerably altered.

very good points

It seems to me, that Nouda has all the points of Marid rather than sspirit

But Bartimaeus does say that Nouda is a higher spirit.

As far as I could tell (but we don't know nearly enough about either's powers) Nouda is an extremely strong version of a standard spirit, but Ramuthra works in an entirely different way, warping the fabric of reality and magic, which would apparently mean that Ramuthra would be able to withstand any attacks Nouda could make.

Krim wrote: I'd say Ramuthra because

a.) Nouda wouldn't be able to touch it with magic, for the spirit bent reality and all attacks disappeared.

b.) It couldn't get close enough for a melee assault without being considerably altered.

I dont think that the rift would greatly affect a being of Nouda's power

I think it depends on whether Nouda has the strength to hold himself in shape and attack when he's affected by Ramuthra's warping of reality - in other words, because Ramuthra works in a totally different way to Nouda, Nouda would have to be stronger than Ramuthra to be able to affect her and hold himself together at the same time.

It's a hypothetical situation that is impossible to take place. We don't even know how powerful he really is, all they say is that they are nothing compared to him. Still, if you bend reality, I don't think it matters how powerful you are. I'm sticking with Ramuthra.

It is possible. (well, spoiler: not now Nouda's dead, but it would have been before)

Besides, talking about possibility when you're discussing a work of fiction strikes me as a little pointless. :P

are we taling about SPOILER when Nouda is inside Hopkin's body, an if so, is the body whole?



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