what exactly is magic?
does all magic have a spirit or being from the other place at it's core?
Are the spirits themselvs magcal? or can they make magic?
Are the spells Magicians use magic?

I would like to discuss these questions.

this is where philosophy comes in:

this is my answers!

1. Magic is something that cannot be explained scientifically?

2. No, Nat could create that spell so after a month barti would be stuck in that tin at tht bottem of the Thames

3. er, no idea

4. Er i guess


Not very good answers for 3 and 4!

well thanks for #1 and 2 answers, although I think that some magic can be explained scientifically. Lets see what others think for the rest

oops, I was unregistered there lol

Here's my answer.
1) Something that can not be done by the normal laws of nature
2) No. Nathaniel could use that Indefinate confinement spell. Makepeace fired an inferno. Whitwell used a 'Bulb of silence' once.
As well as those sensor webs everyone did.
3) Yes. the Amulet of Samarkand is supposed to absorb magic; it had no problem with guard demons.
4) Well... yes, Duh.

but what are the normal laws of nature? and what is nature for that matter? does nature include the other place?

most of that was used with a demond, but I will give you the indefinite confinement spell

good point, smart

okay, thanks.

Shadow 7 wrote:

most of that was used with a demond, but I will give you the indefinite confinement spell

No, Makepeace did it himself.

imposible, he must have used an invisible demond

Did he have nouda in him at this time?

No. In the theatre coup. The inferno he used to knock out Kitty

okay, so he had already taken a minor imp into his body.

Unlikely.

I doubt a minor imp could do an inferno anyway.

oaky, a minor Foloit then. It didnt have to be powerful, Kitty is only human, even with resistance.

its more likely he used an Inferno stick, unless anyone can dig up the quote...

Shadow 7 wrote: he did have one i remember, nat saw him pull it out

he had an inferno wand

I think by saying the right words magicians can do infernos.

Like the scripture and the punishments on demons.

on demons yes, but not on magicians, they do not have that power, they need devises like gladstone's staff

I recall when all of the magicians were being ambushed in the theater Nathan observed Jessica Whittwell snap her fingers or motion her hands to start an inferno but she was knocked out before she barely started a flame. I think that magicians could learn to harness magic with alot of work but they just don't bother at it because spirits are much more adept so they just enslave them.

Weren't there random times in the books where it said magicians shot firebolts from their hands? I remember when Lovelace attacked Underwood's home Underwood put up a nexus around himself and then threw a firebolt at Simon which was absorbed in his amulet. I also remember when Ramuthra was summoned a magician threw a firebolt that was absorbed (I forget if it was absorbed by Ramuthra or the Amulet though.)