Krim, you must have missed the part of my post that said if EVERYONE followed what the Bible said, there would be peace. A servent wouldnt steal from their master becuase the ten commandments forbid it. There wouldnt be any other religions...i dont think i need to go on.

nope

Oh, I'm sorry, I tend to skim over impossible hypothetical situations that have nothing to do with anything. If everyone followed Buddhism, there would be peace as well. We'd also be subjected to the iron hard rule of the Roman Catholic Church, and everytime we did something bad we'd have to chastise our own bodies for repentance. People would inevitably began to revolt against the Church that limits their freedom and does not give them choice of their belief without them being persecuted tremendously. Or am I supposed to make this hypothetical situation even more ludicrous by believing that all people would follow the Bible without question and undying loyalty? '

Silly rabbit.

Krim wrote: The Bible would not lead to peace and order, it told every person if they did not convert to christianity they would burn for eternity,

Where did it say that? The Bible tells us to forgive people, not to hate them.

...Are you serious, Luciene? Honestly...

Luciene wrote:

Krim wrote: The Bible would not lead to peace and order, it told every person if they did not convert to christianity they would burn for eternity,

Where did it say that? The Bible tells us to forgive people, not to hate them.

Its just that:

"Eye for eye...."

contradicts

"Turn the other cheek"

Krim, im afraid that you are still horribly missing the point that i am making, which is if everyone did follow ANY religious text EXACTLY, there would be peace, be it a Christian, Islamic, Judaic, Buddhist or Hindu text, or any other mainstream religion for that matter.
And might I suggest that you come into dicussions like this one with more of an open mind and less contempt for other ideas and beliefs. And as to your question, the answer is yes. When dealing with hypothetical situations, the general idea is that you buy into the situation compleatly.

How hilarious that you call me close-minded. You seem to be missing the point of my post, and the point of the thread. By no means does creationism vrs. evolution speculation have anything to do with if all people followed a doctrine, which would be about as likely as Rwanda winning a war against America, and would completely (you must be British or Australian, aye? Leaning toward British) destroy free will as we know it. So you're saying that I'm close-minded because I'm not partaking in such an arbitrary discussion as 'if everyone did the same thing, you must have some superiority complex and think that everything that you issue is loaded with open-mindedness and acceptance. Contempt for other ideas and beliefs? This is a debate, I'm agnostic, believe in the possibility all religions could be equally correct, I'm sticking toward the fact that evolution is the basis for life as it is today even if God did create the universe.

Here's a hypothetical situation you should absorb yourself into completely: go bake me a cake.

Wait, you think that your not participating in these arbitrary discussions? And your accusing me of having a superiority complex? I didnt realise that you were blind too...
I agree with you though, evolution is what i consider to be the basis for life today.

Ahem, this thread is going downhill and decending into flaming.

No more.

wrote:Wait, you think that your not participating in these arbitrary discussions? And your accusing me of having a superiority complex? I didnt realise that you were blind too...
I agree with you though, evolution is what i consider to be the basis for life today.

- yawns. - It's all in good fun, Gladstone.

1.) I'm barely participating in this debate, which I did not start, and now I'm saying that it's unnecessary, as I have been the whole time. So much for that point.

2.) You seem to think that you're being open-minded and I'm not, and that's not a superiority complex? Thinking you're better than me = superiority complex, sorry to dissapoint.

For the last time, let this stay on topic.

I don't really believe in evolution. I believe God created the Earth, the universe. (Please don't attack me)

wrote:I don't really believe in evolution. I believe God created the Earth, the universe.

I agree.

wrote:"Eye for eye...."

contradicts

"Turn the other cheek"

Give me the exact reference in the Bible where it says "Eye for eye."

He didn't say it did say that it does, he summed up what it says. the Bible employs that concept, which you should very well know...

Starting to sound like a bit like the 'where does the Bible say people will burn if they are Christians' dude. :krim:

The Crusades, the old burning at the stake, christian history isn't exactly peaceful.

More of Europe was christian during the Middle Ages... tell me the Middle ages where some sort of golden period of peace, will you?

Hodge wrote:

wrote:I don't really believe in evolution. I believe God created the Earth, the universe.

I agree.

wrote:"Eye for eye...."

contradicts

"Turn the other cheek"

Give me the exact reference in the Bible where it says "Eye for eye."

Okay:

wrote:Exodus 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

And the other.

wrote:But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you." (Matthew 5:38-42, NIV)

Hodge, you agree? Tell me how you justify that.

wrote:Exodus 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

wrote:Romans 12:19 Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.

We are supposed to turn the other cheek. Revenge is the Lords.

And how did you work that one out?

wrote:Exodus 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Looks like revenge is the husband's for now.

wrote:Romans 12:19 Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.

What context is this taken out of? What exactly is happening to Jesus and his followers?