I don't think decoding our "primitive" languages is all that hard for spirits.

And I agree, we had no proof Ramuthra was stupid, he just didnt say much, did he? Thik about it, it's your firat time a strange new world, and some idiot with a horn and a tacky necklace is ordering you around, how would you react? I'd be a little freaked out too.

One sided arguement is what we are having here.

I'm remember there being "legions of afrits and horlas". (Sorry, not a perfect quote.)

wrote:It implies that the afrit is one of Gladstone's personal bodyguards, rather than some random afrit in his army. Gladstone probably wouldn't have summoned any more troops than his personal afrits and some marids - even he isn't strong enough to summon that many on his own.

It makes little sense to have 2 afrits and many marids. Logically, it should be the other way around.

wrote:Come on, what would Barti have said in that situation? "I see no woman, only a grinning djinni" is a plain statement of fact.

Barti has had 5,000 years to practice his witticisms.

wrote: First summoning and it's already learned english...

Not only that, it's already learned the divisions (since he refers to Barti as djinni, not spirit) between spirits. Where exactly do spirits learn this stuff?

It's not Ramuthra's first summoning at all. The first user of a summoning horn has to be killed by the spirit it summons. Barti mentions the scorched finger marks on the horn.

Gladstone, having summoned his bodyguards, would then summon as many of the strongest spirits as he could. Yes, there were legions, but summoned by legions of magicians.

Spirits must pick up some of the knowledge of the first summoner. Language at least. Having been summoned and then released after killing the horn's first user, Ramuthra would then have had plenty of time to pick up other information from the other spirits in the Other Place, even if it wasn't picked up from the summoner.

wrote:It's not Ramuthra's first summoning at all. The first user of a summoning horn has to be killed by the spirit it summons. Barti mentions the scorched finger marks on the horn.

"I hadn't heard of this particular being [...] Perhaps this was the first time Ramuthra had been summoned." P. 437

Seeing as how Barti also knows how a summoning horn works, I doubt he'd contradict himself in his assumptions.

wrote:Gladstone, having summoned his bodyguards, would then summon as many of the strongest spirits as he could. Yes, there were legions, but summoned by legions of magicians.

Exactly, among them, marids and afrits. How do we know that afrit was one of the bodyguards? How do we know it was even Gladstone's?

Phoenix wrote:

wrote:It's not Ramuthra's first summoning at all. The first user of a summoning horn has to be killed by the spirit it summons. Barti mentions the scorched finger marks on the horn.

"I hadn't heard of this particular being [...] Perhaps this was the first time Ramuthra had been summoned." P. 437

Seeing as how Barti also knows how a summoning horn works, I doubt he'd contradict himself in his assumptions.

Well, he clearly has contradicted himself, because he explains about how summoning horns work. Or maybe he meant it was the first time Ramuthra had been summoned properly, as opposed to being formed and then killing the user of the summoning horn.

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wrote:Gladstone, having summoned his bodyguards, would then summon as many of the strongest spirits as he could. Yes, there were legions, but summoned by legions of magicians.

Exactly, among them, marids and afrits. How do we know that afrit was one of the bodyguards? How do we know it was even Gladstone's?

Cos it says so.

wrote:Well, he clearly has contradicted himself, because he explains about how summoning horns work. Or maybe he meant it was the first time Ramuthra had been summoned properly, as opposed to being formed and then killing the user of the summoning horn.

When they were talking about the summoning horn, I figured the Other Place itself ate you, not the particular spirit. I doubt Barti would contradict itself.

wrote:Cos it says so.

All I remember is Queezle saying he was an afrit. I don't recall anyone saying to who it belonged, and again, I doubt there were 2 afrits, and multiple marids in Gladstone's army. It'd be the other way around.

When you're "eaten" by a spirit, you''re dead, just the same way as if you'd been killed any other way. However, instead of the molocules in your body adding to the ,mass of the other being's body and being converted into energy, it just becomes the same sort of substance that the djinn is.

wrote:All I remember is Queezle saying he was an afrit. I don't recall anyone saying to who it belonged, and again, I doubt there were 2 afrits, and multiple marids in Gladstone's army. It'd be the other way around.

Actually, yes. It's never exactly pointed out in print that it's one of Gladstone's afrits.

And where does banny figure in this?

wrote:When
you're "eaten" by a spirit, you''re dead, just the same way as if you'd
been killed any other way. However, instead of the molocules in your
body adding to the ,mass of the other being's body and being converted
into energy, it just becomes the same sort of substance that the djinn
is.

I know you die, I just thought it's not that particular spirit that
kills you. Perhaps it isn't even fully formed.

I'm confused, are you asking if you'd become part of the other place?

No, you don't become part of the other place. Not exactly. You become the energy that the demon needs to live, and his/her soul when he returns to the other place is a part of the other place. Or at least, that's pretty much what the footnotes/Barti's narration says.

No, I'm not XD

I was merely trying to reconcile the facts of Barti saying that was the first time Ramuthra had been summoned combined with the fact that the summoning horn requires a sacrifice first.

There were legions of BOTH afrits and marids.

Indeed. So that afrit could've belonged to anyone.

Disapointing? You're kidding me right?!? It was the best one of the whole trilogy

:Rolleyeswhichisnolongerhere:

Athena, I suggest you read the first page of the topic before you post so you know what it's really about.

Dissappointed with the ending of book three is what they mean.

Hem, hem that's what I mean misseyeroller. I thought the ending of the book was engenius and I wouldn't change it.

It's "ingenius". And the rolleyes are no longer here due to Nat's excessive use of them.

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