The Evidence: :P

AS: (As barti) A web of white threads rose up around us and closed over Nathaniel's head. The women lowered her hand.2

2The threads of a stricture act as a seal. They allow no object (or sound) to escape their cocoon. Its a kind of temporary prison, more usually emplyed om unfortunate humans than on djinn.

That would suggest she created it, as there is no djinn mentioned. However as the footnote says this isnt a shield, more of a temporary prison.

PG OOC (Whitwell has just summonded her afrit.)

Whitwell screamed an order; a shimmering blue shield rose up above her body.

You dont usually order yourself to do something, suggests a djinn.

So thats final :P

There is some info on spells etc in the omnipedia

here:

http://bartiforums.com/index.php?showto ... st=0&#last

I dont think that any magician can use magic ythat is not related to a demond. and as to my thread Magic, it is in the trillogy, demonds and characters.

yes they can, nat shoots spells at bart when he only has one slave bart

the main ones are detonation wich pulverises with bluish flames, and inferno

there are shields and spasms also who are like dotonations(mwamba) some can shoot spikes and stronger entities shoot pure power

I think a magician can do spells, but it's easier for them to let the spirits do it, so they don't bother.

Look at Makepeace's inferno.

Yeah, doing something yourself would go against all that Magicians stand for :ianna:

makepeaces inferno was done by a spirit traperd in a wand, they can harm magicaly their slaves because of their power over them but not other humans (without a demon)

Magicians can only use spells on djinn to cause them pain and enslave them. Casting spells like infernos or whatever themselves would mean that they would barely ever summon djinn. Far too difficult to order around, and always trying to kill their masters.
Makepeace presumably had an invisible djinn of some sort with him to cast the inferno. The raised hand was just an order.

HE HAD AN INFERNO STICK he didnt cast it alone there was an enslaved entity in the stick like i was saying

I'm sorry who is against?

An inferno is cast on Kitty at the orders of Makepeace, in the box at the play.

It wasn't an inferno stick. He didn't throw anything at her. Besides, when he raised a hand, the inferno was fired directly at Kitty, not as a blast as you'd expect from an inferno stick.

are you sure i am prety sure that nat says afterwards seeing an inferno stick and was surprised kitty survived

No.

Indeed. There is no mention of an inferno stick. Unless the french translator took some liberties.

I was also confused by this. We know that spirits can be trapped inside objects as either amulets or talismans, the two main examples being the Amulet of Samarkand and Gladstones Staff, however, there are many examples of magicians having power of their own.

1) Magicians can cast spells directly upon demons. How would this be possible if they themselves did not have some kind of power?
2) In PG, we see Whitwell raise her hand to another minister, and a blue light/flame seems to shine around it, along with a powerful humming noise. Now, as this is Whitwells actual hand, we can assume that there isnt a demon stuck in there, and we can assume that the magic is powerful due to the noise it makes and the other ministers reaction. Another example of Whitwell using magic of her own is when she weaves that net around Nat. I dont think an imp or foliot did that, otherwise Bati would have been able to stop them, no?

Thats all I got.

with incantations they can make mere magic but it usually involves a demon




btw im rereading and discovered 2 attacks i had forcotten, compression lightning, and a bright light thingy

wrote:I was also confused by this. We know that spirits can be trapped inside objects as either amulets or talismans, the two main examples being the Amulet of Samarkand and Gladstones Staff, however, there are many examples of magicians having power of their own.

1) Magicians can cast spells directly upon demons. How would this be possible if they themselves did not have some kind of power?
2) In PG, we see Whitwell raise her hand to another minister, and a blue light/flame seems to shine around it, along with a powerful humming noise. Now, as this is Whitwells actual hand, we can assume that there isnt a demon stuck in there, and we can assume that the magic is powerful due to the noise it makes and the other ministers reaction. Another example of Whitwell using magic of her own is when she weaves that net around Nat. I dont think an imp or foliot did that, otherwise Bati would have been able to stop them, no?

Thats all I got.

1. They use the words of power, so to speak. I suppose that they can use infernos/spasms/ect. but don't all the time because it's easier to use items and demons.

2. Correct. It was defintaly her.

Whitwell could still have had an invisible djinni or afrit stood next to her to do the actual work.
The net is an interesting one, though. Perhaps, since it traps spirits as well as humans, it comes under the category of spirit commanding magic, and is therefore something the magicians can do with the correct words? Or maybe there's some object with an imprisoned djinn that can open and close the net at will?

Very ambiguois, Magicains can do some magic, apparently.

Just weak, crappy little things.

Call an inferno 'weak and crappy'...