Hmm. Funny how China, the host country, came top by miles in both the Olympics and the Paralympics...

Well, there's home ground advantage, the over-one-billion people they have to draw on for competitors... oh, and they'll shoot your family if you screw up.

Abel wrote:i actually quite like that paralympics. i think they should apply that sort of thinking to pretty much everything. its stupid that mentally disabled kids have to go to school with normal ones. they should have a special school instead of those stupid helpers the government provide them with.

The government would still pay for them and probably need to get extra people to do the jobs those helpers do when not helping the kids with SEN :P

the money isnt the point. if they were in sepcial schools the kids would have a chance to be 'good' at stuff and be the best at some things. they have no hope against 'normal' kids. and plus, i dont see why it should be much more expensive than a normal school.

Sentynel wrote:Well, there's home ground advantage, the over-one-billion people they have to draw on for competitors... oh, and they'll shoot your family if you screw up.

Thankfully it's not that dramatic, but there is a harsh punishment to a degree. The majority of it comes during the training really.

I agree with Nat, not being politically correct doesn't mean you can't treat people with some respect.

wrote:there is some poetry award which is only given to poets from africa or india or something like that. if somebody created a poetry award only for white people there would be public outcry and the person in question would be treated like they had just strangled a load of puppies, babies and kittens. i hate things like that.

Umm... So you're saying everyone from India and Africa is black? A lot of special awards are only given to people from certain countries. It has nothing to do with race.

wrote:the money isnt the point. if they were in sepcial schools the kids would have a chance to be 'good' at stuff and be the best at some things. they have no hope against 'normal' kids. and plus, i dont see why it should be much more expensive than a normal school.

Coming from a school that has many special ed students - that's not the point. The students don't compete against each other, they're there so that they can interact with other people, so they're not secluded from everyone like they're not worth it. And what about the students without a mental disorder, but something like say, cerebral palsy. Should they be separated from other people there age just because of something that's not their fault?

Sorry for the length, I just wanted to make that clear.

FuzzyLobster wrote:I agree with Nat, not being politically correct doesn't mean you can't treat people with some respect.

wrote:there is some poetry award which is only given to poets from africa or india or something like that. if somebody created a poetry award only for white people there would be public outcry and the person in question would be treated like they had just strangled a load of puppies, babies and kittens. i hate things like that.

Umm... So you're saying everyone from India and Africa is black? A lot of special awards are only given to people from certain countries. It has nothing to do with race.

wrote:the money isnt the point. if they were in sepcial schools the kids would have a chance to be 'good' at stuff and be the best at some things. they have no hope against 'normal' kids. and plus, i dont see why it should be much more expensive than a normal school.

Coming from a school that has many special ed students - that's not the point. The students don't compete against each other, they're there so that they can interact with other people, so they're not secluded from everyone like they're not worth it. And what about the students without a mental disorder, but something like say, cerebral palsy. Should they be separated from other people there age just because of something that's not their fault?

Sorry for the length, I just wanted to make that clear.

Don't apologise i agree with you completely

I have to disagree here. While inclusiveness is all very nice in principle, in practise it degrades the education of all levels. The smart ones get bored and the rest get left behind. Doesn't help anybody. (I'm not calling for everyone with mild dyslexia to be packed off to special school here - ordinary schools are quite capable of dealing with that sort of thing - but in order to provide the best possible education for everybody you have to stream to some extent.)

Nathaniel wrote:

FuzzyLobster wrote:I agree with Nat, not being politically correct doesn't mean you can't treat people with some respect.

wrote:there is some poetry award which is only given to poets from africa or india or something like that. if somebody created a poetry award only for white people there would be public outcry and the person in question would be treated like they had just strangled a load of puppies, babies and kittens. i hate things like that.

Umm... So you're saying everyone from India and Africa is black? A lot of special awards are only given to people from certain countries. It has nothing to do with race.

wrote:the money isnt the point. if they were in sepcial schools the kids would have a chance to be 'good' at stuff and be the best at some things. they have no hope against 'normal' kids. and plus, i dont see why it should be much more expensive than a normal school.

Coming from a school that has many special ed students - that's not the point. The students don't compete against each other, they're there so that they can interact with other people, so they're not secluded from everyone like they're not worth it. And what about the students without a mental disorder, but something like say, cerebral palsy. Should they be separated from other people there age just because of something that's not their fault?

Sorry for the length, I just wanted to make that clear.

Don't apologise i agree with you completely

Er...I didn't that anyone here would actually be against special ed students being in the same school as normal students. Like Fuzzy, I've been to schools that have a couple of special ed kids, and I believe they're just there just to make themselves feel comfortable with the normal kids. (In fact, I've even talked to a special ed kid once in my middle school.)

And if the smart ones get bored...well, there are other things they can do right? Not to mention actually helping the people who are way behind.

Well, people generally won't think that way a lot, but there's always someone.

Another surprising thing I noticed was that most people got interested in the Paralympics all of a sudden. I thought you guys were over China and the Olympics by now...

This entire thread should have died the closing ceremony.

Someone got obsessed with politics and decided to spread it over the forums. *not pointing out who, cause I don't know*

And technically, the Olympics are still going on. Just that...well, it's not getting as much attention as the original ones earlier this year.

I do believe sent is responsible for that.

wrote:

wrote:there is some poetry award which is only given to poets from africa or india or something like that. if somebody created a poetry award only for white people there would be public outcry and the person in question would be treated like they had just strangled a load of puppies, babies and kittens. i hate things like that.

Umm... So you're saying everyone from India and Africa is black? A lot of special awards are only given to people from certain countries. It has nothing to do with race.

no, i never said that. did i type 'black' in that post? its you who assumed that by 'africa and india' i meant black. im not that thick. i think it is a uk award and the majority of people in the uk who dont count as coming from an 'ethenic minority' (oh see my pcness) are white. examples of these awards please. ive never heard of something like an award for a specific country that isnt being given out by that same country.

wrote:

wrote:the money isnt the point. if they were in sepcial schools the kids would have a chance to be 'good' at stuff and be the best at some things. they have no hope against 'normal' kids. and plus, i dont see why it should be much more expensive than a normal school.

Coming from a school that has many special ed students - that's not the point. The students don't compete against each other, they're there so that they can interact with other people, so they're not secluded from everyone like they're not worth it. And what about the students without a mental disorder, but something like say, cerebral palsy. Should they be separated from other people there age just because of something that's not their fault?

Sorry for the length, I just wanted to make that clear.

yeah. cus teenagers totally dont compete with their peers. so you are saying that its alright for them to come bottom in pretty much everything as long as they are interacting with other people (because the staff and other disabled children dont count as people. do they?). brilliant. and they are not seperated from other people their age, they are still in SCHOOL. you know? with classes?? and other children??? by those children they will be seen as 'normal'. because if everyone is 'special' then nobody is.

XxHogwartsHokagexX wrote:And if the smart ones get bored...well, there are other things they can do right? Not to mention actually helping the people who are way behind.

They're at school to be taught, not to have to amuse themselves while the teachers help the ones who can't keep up, nor to be roped in as assistant teachers. Surefire way to put smart people off learning is to spend a few years boring the crap out of them.

Amen to that.
I've almost always bored, and was often asked in elementary & middle school to help the slow ones.
And I mean the lazy ones, I get no pleasure out of helping them.
I like helping the ones who just can't grasp a topic.
SE Kids are alright, but they annoy me a lot.

How odd that my councilor says that most kids of these types tend to be bored in school...

Like my brother, or so my parents hope...

I think maybe I should clarify a few things and apologize for any misunderstandings...

wrote:While inclusiveness is all very nice in principle, in practise it degrades the education of all levels.

wrote:yeah. cus teenagers totally dont compete with their peers. so you are saying that its alright for them to come bottom in pretty much everything as long as they are interacting with other people (because the staff and other disabled children dont count as people. do they?). brilliant. and they are not seperated from other people their age, they are still in SCHOOL. you know? with classes?? and other children??? by those children they will be seen as 'normal'. because if everyone is 'special' then nobody is.

Ermm... Sorry if I gave you the wrong idea, but at my school the special ed students aren't in the same classes, what I meant is they're at the same school (except for the students that have physical, not mental disabilities). In fact over here we have academic, applied, and local classes (or university, college and workplace) that separate people of different skill levels. (Sadly, it doesn't mean that some people aren't just lazy, and that some of the subjects seem to be dumbed down because it is a tech-oriented school. *sigh*)

wrote:no, i never said that. did i type 'black' in that post? its you who assumed that by 'africa and india' i meant black. im not that thick. i think it is a uk award and the majority of people in the uk who dont count as coming from an 'ethenic minority' (oh see my pcness) are white. examples of these awards please. ive never heard of something like an award for a specific country that isnt being given out by that same country.

I should apologize. I thought that by comparing it to what would happen if an award was given to only white people you were implying that all people from Africa and India were black. And I didn't know it was an award given by the UK. So, no I haven't heard of a similar award.

My fingers hurt now. :P

Nero wrote:How odd that my councilor says that most kids of these types tend to be bored in school...

Incidence of depression and social problems is also much higher amongst gifted children. Depression in particular is a huge problem. Believe me, I've been there.

wrote:In regards to this fact, psychologist Steven Pinker theorized that, rather than viewing Einstein's (and other famously gifted late-talking individuals) adult accomplishments as existing distinct from, or in spite of, his early language deficits, and rather than viewing Einstein's lingual delay itself as a "disorder", it may be that Einstein's genius and his delay in speaking were developmentally intrinsic to one another.[1]

I said my first word when I was three. ZOMG I AM A GENIUS. :P

Pfft. I started questioning God in the fifth grade. And I taught myself to fly inside the womb. I AM T3H GENYUS.

Poor Sentynel.