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Dansariki Higher Spirit
14 Dec 08 - 23:56
It could take a good deal more energy than he'd like to use.
Or, he can only do smaller things.
I see your point though...
Could be he just grows an additional limb, makes it invisible, and moves stuff around with it.
Weirder things have happened.
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Umbreo Utukku
14 Dec 08 - 23:57
yes, exactly.
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15 Dec 08 - 00:35
umbreo wrote:sentynel, can you tell me where exactly in the books it says that? i'm sure it doesn't - or i can't remember where it does.
I'm afraid not; I don't remember where exactly. Marids are certainly water spirits in Arabic mythology from which most of the spirit types are drawn, and I'm positive they're described as such in the books.
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Umbreo Utukku
15 Dec 08 - 00:37
nevertheless, i'll read the books again to be sure.
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15 Dec 08 - 01:07
Well, look harder!
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15 Dec 08 - 01:07
I searched the books using amazon.com and can't find that bit, but I'm positive something Barti-related described marids as water spirits. Argh. The books do describe djinni as fire and air spirits and afrits as fire spirits, but I can't find a similar description for marids..
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Nero Higher Spirit
15 Dec 08 - 01:09
Sentynel wrote:I searched the books using amazon.com and can't find that bit, but I'm positive something Barti-related described marids as water spirits. Argh. The books do describe djinni as fire and air spirits and afrits as fire spirits, but I can't find a similar description for marids..
Didn't he mention it in GE, I think around Honorius's dive into the water? Or was it just about afrits being of fire?

Then I'm sure Mrs. Underwood described a marid...
15 Dec 08 - 01:10
Nero wrote:Then I'm sure Mrs. Underwood described a marid...
That was afrits she described wasn't it?
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Nero Higher Spirit
15 Dec 08 - 01:13
David Cat wrote:
Nero wrote:Then I'm sure Mrs. Underwood described a marid...
That was afrits she described wasn't it?
I know that, but wasn't also marids?
15 Dec 08 - 01:14
I'll go get my copy and see

Edit: Mrs Underwood says Afrits are demons of fire...doesn't mention marids though...sorry
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Umbreo Utukku
15 Dec 08 - 01:37
keep looking, you may have heard that marids are water spirits on some other site or interview or something; but i maintain that it never describes marids as water spirits in the trilogy.
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Dansariki Higher Spirit
15 Dec 08 - 03:49
Like everything else in The Bartimaeus Universe, Stroud did his homework.
Marids, like Afrits ('ifrits'), Djinn (Say 'Genie' and 'Djinni') and Imps are primarily based on Arabian folklore and myth.
Mentioned in the Quran, Marids are spirits of water, and are described as arrogant and exceptionally powerful.
This information is never present within the Trilogy, so far as I can tell. It is also missing from Stroud's site.
I will read through the books again, but I think I'm actually to blame for this.
I have a habit of stating opinion or facts of questionable provability as true fact.
Knowing what I knew, I probably said at some time or another here that Marid's were that of water, and off it went.
Sorry.
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Umbreo Utukku
15 Dec 08 - 22:37
Thought that might have been the case. Maybe you should ask Jonathan Stroud?
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16 Dec 08 - 00:39
Question asked.
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Umbreo Utukku
16 Dec 08 - 00:42
what, just now or already been asked?
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16 Dec 08 - 00:48
Just now.
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Umbreo Utukku
16 Dec 08 - 00:56
about how often does JS read and answer questions?
When I set out from the boy's attic window, my head was so full of competing plans and complex strategems that I didn't look where I was going and flew straight into a chimney.

Something symbolic in that. It's what fake freedom does for you.
16 Dec 08 - 00:56
Once in a blue moon.
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Umbreo Utukku
16 Dec 08 - 01:02
so . . . irregularly
When I set out from the boy's attic window, my head was so full of competing plans and complex strategems that I didn't look where I was going and flew straight into a chimney.

Something symbolic in that. It's what fake freedom does for you.
16 Dec 08 - 01:04
You just missed him. He'll be back in about a decade (if you're very lucky)
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