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21 May 08 - 22:09
I just thought this up. Since spirits can change into any object animate or inanimate wouldn't they therefore be able to transform into silver or iron or something?
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22 May 08 - 02:43
Well, why would we light ourselves on fire?
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22 May 08 - 09:57
yea they could..but they would prefer not to..:P.. wouldnt want a particularly distressing and uncomfortable form would they..

even if they change into a metal,they would,but into a fake metal..not pure that is.it would resemble a piece of silver,but it wouldnt actually be..they would kill themselves then!lol..
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22 May 08 - 15:23
Hmm...I guess that would make sense...
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22 May 08 - 15:24
They would'nt kill themselves but yeah they would'nt be true silver etc.
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22 May 08 - 15:29
nathanielandbartimaeus wrote: They would'nt kill themselves but yeah they would'nt be true silver etc.
Thats kinda what I was wondering about. If they did transform into silver wouldn't their essence turn into silver meaning that they weren't technically touching it?
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22 May 08 - 15:32
No their essence would remain unchanged only they would adopt a silver look in a few planes.
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22 May 08 - 15:42
OK, I'm sorry, where does it say they can take the guise of an inanimate object?

Everything we see in the books is an animal.
They can be forced into an inanimate object, but only by their master, not of there own volition.
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22 May 08 - 15:50
Well, Bart thought someone changed into a footstool....
I think you are right. They can only take the guise of an animal. Plant?
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22 May 08 - 15:51
Dansariki wrote: OK, I'm sorry, where does it say they can take the guise of an inanimate object?

Everything we see in the books is an animal.
They can be forced into an inanimate object, but only by their master, not of there own volition.
It should be able to work, since they can take on an inanimate guise when forced, so why can't they do it willingly? Unless the magician (master) has to use a spell (like the Indefinite Confinement)? I can't remember very well.

At the very least, they should be able to put an illusion (Glamour?) around themselves, but that wouldn't even affect the djinni in any way, silver or not.



Why does it need to be living? Djinni don't actually have "hearts", technically speaking, so why can't they compact their essences into a plant form?
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22 May 08 - 15:54
Fantasy2194 wrote:
Dansariki wrote: OK, I'm sorry, where does it say they can take the guise of an inanimate object?

Everything we see in the books is an animal.
They can be forced into an inanimate object, but only by their master, not of there own volition.
It should be able to work, since they can take on an inanimate guise when forced, so why can't they do it willingly? Unless the magician (master) has to use a spell (like the Indefinite Confinement)? I can't remember very well.

At the very least, they should be able to put an illusion (Glamour?) around themselves, but that wouldn't even affect the djinni in any way, silver or not.



Why does it need to be living? Djinni don't actually have "hearts", technically speaking, so why can't they compact their essences into a plant form?
Good points. Hope someone well versed with the trilogy answers.
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Dansariki Higher Spirit
22 May 08 - 16:28
Yes, Illusions a Glamours...
Not actual objects.
Just fakes.

Indefinite confinement is involuntary, therefore not needed in this forum.
As for Plants, I find it as possible, but unlikely.



Do I count as "well versed?"
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22 May 08 - 16:45
Ok yeah I wasn't sure if the could but I thought they could if they wanted. Glamours thats it. I forgot.
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27 May 08 - 15:49
Quite excusable lad...
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27 May 08 - 19:29
I don't see why they couldn't take the guise of something that's not alive. Bartimaeus has turned into smoke before, right?


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27 May 08 - 22:17
FuzzyLobster wrote: I don't see why they couldn't take the guise of something that's not alive. Bartimaeus has turned into smoke before, right?
Right yeah, so why couldn't he turn into silver? Or can he?
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28 May 08 - 07:03
he can can can CAN..but he wont wont wont!!!!!!!!
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28 May 08 - 19:14
wrote:Right yeah, so why couldn't he turn into silver? Or can he?
Bartimaeus can look like silver, but I don't think he could actually become silver. In the book, when he takes the form of an animal it never says he actually turns into one, its just a disguise. Which is why his true form is seen on other planes.


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29 May 08 - 07:12
So acc. to you guys, spirits take take the from of non-living objects, right? But can they move in that case? Like, if they take the form of a chain, can they then strangle their opponent?
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29 May 08 - 15:48
No, spirits cannot take the form of an inanimate object.
It's what we just took up two pages talking about.
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