Ptolomy's voice

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adnil Mite
8 Dec 06 - 07:41
I'm intrigued by the episode in which Kitty identifies Ptolomy's form to Bartimaeus and Bartimaeus uses Ptolomy's voice to ask "what do you know about me?" [I'm paraphrasing; please don't belabor me if I misquoted]

Ptolomy stayed too long in the Other Place and was changed. I wonder if most of him remained there, and only a whisp of spirit came back to inhabit his body until he died. Perhaps he was subsumed into Bartimaeus and the Other Place. Doesn't it seem as if, in that part, Kitty really is looking at and talking with Ptolomy? After all, everything belonging to the other place is like a soup. Magicians had the bad manners to define the djinn, but the rest of them is back home. Perhaps Ptolomy is within Bartimaeus as more than a memory...

Just some idle thoughts I had. I was curious if anyone else had thoughts along those lines.

-Linda
Yakaii Ghul
8 Dec 06 - 16:44
You say something. I mean Bartimaeus and Ptolomy liked each other so much so it's not inpossible... :djinni:
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Adele Djinni
8 Dec 06 - 18:48
Wow, that is pretty interesting, I never thought about that before. It sounds very plausible.
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9 Dec 06 - 00:44
Interesting thought, maybe that's why barti is more "human" than other spirits.
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9 Dec 06 - 01:25
andalusian_mare wrote: maybe that's why barti is more "human" than other spirits.
Exactly what I thought. :magic:
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15 Dec 06 - 20:06
hm...interesting.
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14 Jan 07 - 13:40
adnil wrote: I'm intrigued by the episode in which Kitty identifies Ptolomy's form to Bartimaeus and Bartimaeus uses Ptolomy's voice to ask "what do you know about me?" [I'm paraphrasing; please don't belabor me if I misquoted]

Ptolomy stayed too long in the Other Place and was changed. I wonder if most of him remained there, and only a whisp of spirit came back to inhabit his body until he died. Perhaps he was subsumed into Bartimaeus and the Other Place. Doesn't it seem as if, in that part, Kitty really is looking at and talking with Ptolomy? After all, everything belonging to the other place is like a soup. Magicians had the bad manners to define the djinn, but the rest of them is back home. Perhaps Ptolomy is within Bartimaeus as more than a memory...

Just some idle thoughts I had. I was curious if anyone else had thoughts along those lines.

-Linda
Yeah I thought that when I read it. I layed there for like, half an hour trying to reason it out which seriuosly thre off my sleep pattern. But you know, I dont care. God knows it was screwed up to begin with...
2 Mar 07 - 21:47
That is interesting.....hmmmm
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30 May 07 - 16:54
There was more of Ptolemy in Bartimaeus than just his memories. Bart, has someone said correctly, is more humane. He has feelings for humans - I mean, he sometimes cares for his masters even though they are horrible to him ( like in Nat's case). He has a 'bond' with them. He still believes in Ptolemy's faith in the reunion of magicians & djinni, a belief which would have surely strengthened after Nathaniel & Kitty's sacrifice.
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Post Higher Spirit
30 May 07 - 16:55
He doesn't believe in anything, he's a cynical djinni whose one ambition in life was to escape magical service.
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Apollo Marid
30 May 07 - 17:06
With the exception of Ptolemy.
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30 May 07 - 17:08
Sorry to say, but I completely disagree. If Bart's intention was always to escape service, then why did he save Nat from the Golem? Why did he seek the displeasure of Nouda to save the skins of two teenagers? And we also get an insight of Bart's feelings. He says he would not mind doing anything for Ptolemy & Kitty. And after Nat's final gift, I am sure he would have done anything for him too.
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30 May 07 - 17:29
Character change in the end, yes.

And he didn't lift a finger to save Nathaneil from the Golem.
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Ianna Marid
30 May 07 - 18:44
I hate to say this...I might agree with Post.

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3 Jun 07 - 10:08
adnil wrote: I'm intrigued by the episode in which Kitty identifies Ptolomy's form to Bartimaeus and Bartimaeus uses Ptolomy's voice to ask "what do you know about me?" [I'm paraphrasing; please don't belabor me if I misquoted]

Ptolomy stayed too long in the Other Place and was changed. I wonder if most of him remained there, and only a whisp of spirit came back to inhabit his body until he died. Perhaps he was subsumed into Bartimaeus and the Other Place. Doesn't it seem as if, in that part, Kitty really is looking at and talking with Ptolomy? After all, everything belonging to the other place is like a soup. Magicians had the bad manners to define the djinn, but the rest of them is back home. Perhaps Ptolomy is within Bartimaeus as more than a memory...

Just some idle thoughts I had. I was curious if anyone else had thoughts along those lines.

-Linda
Interesting idea. It would exlain some of the unrequited loyalty and stuff.
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15 May 08 - 03:38
Post wrote:Character change in the end, yes.

And he didn't lift a finger to save Nathaneil from the Golem.
False. Kitty states several times in book three that it was Bartimaeus who convinced her to save Nathaniel's life. Yes, I know he never SAID "Kitty you should save him" but his implications were that to just walk away would make her as bad as the magicians. You think that Bart, in all his cunning, didn't know what outcome his words would create?

And please don't trash me for posting on an old thread, i just got here. To open a new thread with the same subject would be stupid, huh?
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15 May 08 - 12:14
wow adnil/linda thats a great thought...but..bart does seem more considerate and all than the other djinn etc but there doesnt seem to be hint of ptolemy in him..if ptolemy was there,his whole personality would change.he would be a mixture of himself and ptolemy,which hes not.hes plain irreplacable bartimaeus. and if becoming one was possible,then all the djinn would be 1!all of them are residents of the OP so according to your thought,they should ideally be 1.

but noneotherless thats a great idea!
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Dansariki Higher Spirit
17 May 08 - 14:33
Thinking about it noe way, Ptolemy is with Bart, if only in memory.
I think because of this memory, Bart looks at humanity with something like sadness, along with his ingrained Cynicism...
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18 May 08 - 09:01
yupp..i agree..
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18 May 08 - 14:46
Sure....
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