Are spirits, in a sense, a human's essence? The idea came from PG, when Kitty was able to shape-shift in the Other Place.

Er, no. The only reason Kitty could do that was cause she was in the other place. Humans have no essence, or they could shape shift.

plus that wasnt her true form. it was more borrowed if anything. her body stayed behind after all.

she was invited to the other place and couldn;t go through herself. ANything that wasn't of essence or was invited would get past the four barriers to the other place. She was invited by barti so therefore doesn't have an essence. THis is also shown when its told that magicians have tried to get throguh but have returned different men/women when they hit the barriers

Actually their greed and such was what stopped them, and if i remember correctly (I'm at comp. programming in school at the moment) they were killed in the process of trying. NOt to mention, I wonder if they tried to force their way into it, or if they actually got a spirit to "invite" them in.
More questions needing to be answered.

Can i ask how many times you have read the book??
You seem to know an awful lot!
It's a good thing by the way and now that you say it it seems more liley that they tried to force their way in seen as most magicians believe spirts to be full of darkness and wikedness.

(please excuse the spelling)

Exactly.
To answer your question, I've read each book twice, maybe three times.
I refer back to them every once in a while.
I just read well, and remember accurate.

Ummm, i have read it about the same amount of times but can't remeber that well. Ah well. Life goes on.

The Spirit bit is right, but the reason they died trying to get in was because the spirit they used to get in didn't let them into the other world, and decided to kill them instead.


Also, I reckon you're all wrong (except Borello) and humans do have essense, but it's trapped within a body, which explains why they cannot shpeshift. For example, Honorius is a creature of essense and when he was trapped within the skeleton of Gladstone, he couldn't shapeshift, similarly with all the spirits inside the Magician's bodies

Definetly possible, though I object on Biological Grounds.
Nice thought.........
I like it, but I don't think it's true.
Else, there'd be evidence somewhere.

Here's that damn post I've been looking for:
Looking at it that way, then actually I guess Nectanebo was correct.
Once in the other place, if you let your body die, your mind is still intact.
This begs a whole shiz load of questions though.
Assuming a magician knows your birth name, could he summon you.
IF you are summoned, would you die on entrance to the earth, because you aren't a creature of essence, OR would you survive, becoming a creature of essence through your time in the other place.
This would be a great question for the author, should he ever come back on...
Even if you do survive, and become a creature of essence, would you still have all the powers of an entity, or just some.
More than that, however, what would you be???
Imp, Foliot, Djinn, Afrit, Marid? One of those below, or one from above?
Again, what would you essence be??
Afrits are creatures of fire; Djinn Air and Fire; what would you be?





Adding to that, another question: Would you have a choice?

Hmm, I suppose you wouldn't be any one of the typical classes of spirit. Maybe a new class of being. I guess theoretically you'd kind of be a ghost, since you're body would be dead, but you're spirit would still be on Earth...

Eh, you'd have to form some sort of shape.
Even if it's just a wisp of smoke.
Referencing AoS here.