Nero Higher Spirit
6 Sep 08 - 13:11
Hmm, true. Why buy/make a scrying glass when you have the luxury of those spheres?
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Damonenkopf Foliot
1 Mar 09 - 19:40
i dont think lovelace used one cuz by the time the imp reported to him and he sent djinni, bart would be looooong gone....
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Umbreo Utukku
3 Mar 09 - 09:14
Can a scrying glass locate an object? Or is it only living things?
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nathanielandbartimaeus Marid
3 Mar 09 - 13:31
It can locate objects too. Remember, Nat told the imp in the glass to show him a building? But I think Nat got a view of the demons too. Still, I'm rather certain the scrying glass can locate objects.
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Dansariki Higher Spirit
11 Mar 09 - 02:00
It can, but I still think that Lovelace merely overlooked it: it was too far below his level.
Bart could definitely sense the imp, but spheres are cheaper - in power and control.
Imps would be better, but, again, magicians are lazy, after all.
Bart could definitely sense the imp, but spheres are cheaper - in power and control.
Imps would be better, but, again, magicians are lazy, after all.
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Chiz Ghul
17 May 09 - 22:00
rofl...Nero wrote:In the ozone?
I like to think so.
Cool one DaAlCh, I think it is a plot hole. Scrying glasses seem very useful to me. Crazy how the imp can just find something it knows nothing about. Thats not a resorce that can be just overlooked as being "below their level".
Dansariki Higher Spirit
18 May 09 - 22:40
It can when the guy's probably not used one in years.
I get the feeling that the one in Hedlam Hall (or whatever the building was called), used to keep an eye on the proceedings, was probably the first he'd used in a long time.
It was actually for his master, and Lovelace didn't build the building himself, so it's possible he wasn't aware of it.
Again, below his level.
And, he has confidence in his sphere, seeing how many of them he used.
Not to mention, I think a spirit could avoid an imp if he wanted to, they're only imps, after all.
I get the feeling that the one in Hedlam Hall (or whatever the building was called), used to keep an eye on the proceedings, was probably the first he'd used in a long time.
It was actually for his master, and Lovelace didn't build the building himself, so it's possible he wasn't aware of it.
Again, below his level.
And, he has confidence in his sphere, seeing how many of them he used.
Not to mention, I think a spirit could avoid an imp if he wanted to, they're only imps, after all.
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Garnet-Princess Imp
24 Apr 11 - 22:18
Yeah, but would Faquarl and Jabor have told Lovelace that Bartimaeus took his amulet? I mean, most demons hate their masters, so unless Lovelace asked they might not have told him...
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Granarchid Mite
5 Apr 12 - 11:31
I think Lovelace was just cocky. A senior magician wouldn't want to use such a juvenile method. And I mean that with all due cynicism. You know what they're like.Conformists, the lot of them. Anyway, Faquarl hates Bart. Probably would have ratted him out first chance he got.
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Garnet-Princess Imp
7 Apr 12 - 22:38
Or maybe since the Amulet itself protects against other forms of magic, it can't be scryed at all???
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15 May 12 - 10:41
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16 May 12 - 15:06
Didier Utukku
3 Jul 12 - 16:28
I'm not sure the scrying glass imp just 'knows' that sort of thing. He has to know where the person or object is in the first place to be able to spy on them.
For example, the imp would be able to spy on Simon Lovelace only because he knew, or could find out, where his villa was.
When he didn't know the location of Heddleham Hall, it took him considerably longer to find it.
The problem for Lovelace was that he didn't know who Bartimaeus's master was. He could track Bartimaeus, but then the summons would make Bartimaeus dematerialize and rematerialize elsewhere, without a trace.
In fact, when Bartimaeus does go directly to Underwood's house, Simon Lovelace shows up right away.
For example, the imp would be able to spy on Simon Lovelace only because he knew, or could find out, where his villa was.
When he didn't know the location of Heddleham Hall, it took him considerably longer to find it.
The problem for Lovelace was that he didn't know who Bartimaeus's master was. He could track Bartimaeus, but then the summons would make Bartimaeus dematerialize and rematerialize elsewhere, without a trace.
In fact, when Bartimaeus does go directly to Underwood's house, Simon Lovelace shows up right away.
Lilith Foliot
31 Jul 12 - 03:38
If Underwood was capable of noticing the Nathaniel's imp and following it back to the scrying glass, then presumably any competant magician could, so Lovelace (who of course didn't want anyone to know he was up to stuff) wouldn't have dared use one. I agree with the point of him overlooking the idea though; he favours more powerful spirits because they feed his ego, so he wouldn't want to stoop to using such petty magic that even the Resistance sniffed at it.
Didier Utukku
11 Aug 12 - 04:16
Not all scrying glasses are imps in pieces of metal. You could use a more powerful spirit too, the ones the government used to spy on Honorius were djinn, I think.
Horakthy Imp
11 Aug 12 - 05:10
Maybe higher powered djinni wouldn't be able to fit in the mirror/brass/glass?
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Didier Utukku
11 Aug 12 - 19:50
They can. I mean, you can fit something more powerful than Ramuthra into an amulet, so a djinni into a scrying glass can't be that hard.
Horakthy Imp
2 Sep 12 - 13:14
Subtlety is a little hard to do when everything around you turns into cheese.
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9 Sep 12 - 07:14
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Didier Utukku
24 Oct 12 - 06:32
Horakthy wrote:Subtlety is a little hard to do when everything around you turns into cheese.
Well the spirit in the amulet of Samarkand was more powerful than Ramuthra and didn't cause any cheese-flavoured side effects, so it's definitely is possible.Wolfboy158 wrote:too right
If it can be done in an amulet what's sooo hard about a measly little djinni in a scrying glass? :huh: