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| Topic Started: Dec 18 2008, 10:42 PM (3,740 Views) | |
| Umbreo | Jan 3 2009, 12:56 AM Post #76 |
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No need, you're correct. Yes, so Faquarl's probably broken some OP agreement in order to communicate with Nouda. But what I want to know is (if the spirits are all one in the OP) if the other spirits would be able to listen to Nouda and Faquarl talking. |
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| Dansariki | Jan 3 2009, 03:22 AM Post #77 |
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Doubt that... Otherwise the whole thing would have collapsed before it would've begun. |
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| Umbreo | Jan 3 2009, 03:31 AM Post #78 |
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Not necessarily. Bartimaeus wouldn't have heard any of it, he was stuck on Earth, and any other spirits who would have been in the other place and heard would have: a) Not cared, similar to Bartimaeus they just wanted to stay in the OP b) Heard and supported the plan, and put forward their name to be summoned or whatever or c) For some reason objected to the plan and wanted to stop it, but couldn't do anything about it because they were in the OP. The only spirit who could possibly fit into this option would be Simpkin, but he's dead (obviosly). |
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| Dansariki | Jan 3 2009, 05:39 AM Post #79 |
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Simpkin and his kind, that it. |
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| Nero | Jan 3 2009, 02:29 PM Post #80 |
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Besides, it seems that they just be in the Other Place. Usually they wouldn't do anything. Just thought I should remind both of you. |
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| Dansariki | Jan 3 2009, 10:20 PM Post #81 |
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Yes, but they can. That's why I think they just talked, nobody would bother to listen in. |
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| Nero | Jan 4 2009, 12:17 AM Post #82 |
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I never denied that. |
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| Umbreo | Jan 4 2009, 12:34 AM Post #83 |
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I was thinking that they didn't really have a choice, they would just be able to listen. |
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| Dansariki | Jan 4 2009, 01:32 AM Post #84 |
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Nah. They just lay back and try not to think, and watch memories that drift by, whether theirs or not. |
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| Umbreo | Jan 4 2009, 07:00 AM Post #85 |
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Maybe. It's besides the point anyway; it doesn't matter whether any spirits in the OP heard Faquarl communicating with Nouda or not because (as we know) the plan went ahead (at first) according to plan, without anyone previously doing anything to change it - meaning that IF other spirits overheard the plan they couldn't (or wouldn't) do anything about it (except maybe joining forces). |
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| kitty jones | Jan 4 2009, 12:30 PM Post #86 |
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That's what I thought....I didn't know they could talk to each other... But I suppose they can because it wasn't only Nouda that knew of the plan ... The spirit in Jenkins body (Naeryan) said to Bartimaeus that it was worth being stuck in a body and everything because of the freedom ,and at some point she asks him if he will join their plan... So I suppose they must have told other spirits in the OP otherwise the spirits in the human bodies wouldn't have any idea about what was going on...And since it doesn't mention in the book that they were given an explanation after they came to Earth , they must have agreed to it in the OP.... |
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| Dansariki | Jan 4 2009, 10:19 PM Post #87 |
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Either the OP, or Faquarl convinced Hopkins and/or Makepeace to summon them in turn. Remember, Faquarl's plan took awhile to manifest. |
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| Umbreo | Jan 4 2009, 11:55 PM Post #88 |
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A majority of the spirits summoned into the bodies probably had no idea what was going on, just the painless sensation and a feeling of freedom. Do you really think Faquarl would have bothered to ask every spirit's permission? Anyway, it's their own fault for destroying the minds of their hosts if they DID want to return to the other place. Or maybe they destroyed their host's mind by accident; but either way, none of them showed remorse except for Faquarl himself (yes, I know, MAYBE). |
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| Dansariki | Jan 5 2009, 12:15 AM Post #89 |
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Faquarl didn't show remorse, only a certain kind of... foolishness at destroying it. He saw the potential, and realized he made a mistake. Didn't mean he actually regretted destroying Hopkin's mind. Ok... I could buy that... |
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| Umbreo | Jan 5 2009, 12:24 AM Post #90 |
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Basically what you just said is all the same thing. |
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