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| Sentynel | Dec 31 2008, 04:03 PM Post #61 |
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Sure. They were able to talk to Kitty there; no reason they couldn't talk to each other, |
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| Mwamba | Dec 31 2008, 04:32 PM Post #62 |
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Yeah, but aren't they all 'one?' Maybe Barti had to make an effort to individualize himself in order to talk to Kitty and normally he'd...um...just float around enjoying the essence? |
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| nathanielandbartimaeus | Dec 31 2008, 05:07 PM Post #63 |
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Yeah, possibly. But on the whole I agree with Sent, I think it's possible for spirits to talk to the other spirits there. But when was Faquarl last in OP? Before the plan was made or after? He could as Sent said, however requested another spirit to pass on the message. |
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| Nero | Dec 31 2008, 05:48 PM Post #64 |
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| Sentynel | Dec 31 2008, 06:04 PM Post #65 |
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Barti quite specifically says once they've been summoned they're forever slightly partitioned from the Other Place; never quite able to lose their individuality. Besides, if Barti can individualise himself to speak to Kitty, Nouda and a messenger could also do so. |
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| Dansariki | Dec 31 2008, 06:52 PM Post #66 |
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Yep. They are still 'one' but with seperate identities, they could communicate via messenger, but I'd figure they'd just talk, instead of jeopardizing things with a messenger, even if it is someone in the plot. |
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| nathanielandbartimaeus | Jan 1 2009, 11:23 AM Post #67 |
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Well, I wonder what Bart, Faquarl & Jabor did when they were in OP together? Play the ignoring game? I don't see Bart keeping quiet. Couldn't they use magic & stuff in OP? |
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| Umbreo | Jan 1 2009, 11:30 AM Post #68 |
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Mmm, that's exactly what I was thinking. Maybe Bartimaeus could only individualize himself in the other place when Kitty was there, distrupting it and trying to bring order. But that IS interesting. Could enemy spirits fight in the other place? |
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| Sentynel | Jan 1 2009, 12:35 PM Post #69 |
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There's no suggestion that spirits could fight in the Other Place (or even that they'd want to - Barti may not like Faquarl, but killing him off in the OP would be far too risky and not really serve any purpose). |
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| kitty jones | Jan 1 2009, 03:28 PM Post #70 |
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I always thought spirits couldn't communicate with each other in the Other Place... That's why like Barti and Queezle hadn't talked in ages...So , if he liked her , ( which in the books it says that he does) wouldn't he have talked to her in the other place...??And wouldn't spirits have friends if they were able to talk to one another?? |
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| Sentynel | Jan 1 2009, 03:55 PM Post #71 |
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I suspect they generally avoid it as it goes against their whole objection to being individuals thing, but they can communicate if need be - Faquarl was already planning to violate that in a big way by going to Earth permanently; just sending messages in the OP's nothing in comparison. |
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| Umbreo | Jan 1 2009, 11:12 PM Post #72 |
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Yes, I agree. They wouldn't want to individualize themselves while in the other place, even if it just means talking to one another. They are all one and the same. I think that it was just because Kitty was there and she used Bartimaeus as her guide during the reverse summoning that Bartimaeus was able to (or was willing to) individualize himself. |
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| Dansariki | Jan 2 2009, 11:46 PM Post #73 |
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Not to mention it'd probably slow down the recuperation process. |
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| Umbreo | Jan 3 2009, 12:39 AM Post #74 |
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Think of the movie Highlander, they don't fight on holy ground. Spirits don't in the other place, they must just have a mutual trust that while in their home world all doings on Earth are forgotten. UNLESS, however, Faquarl is hatching a world domination plan.
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| Dansariki | Jan 3 2009, 12:52 AM Post #75 |
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Even then, he's just plotting, not fighting. Makes sense. Also relates to something Bart said in AoS, something along the lines of it's deeply impolite to bring up human conflicts, which Djinn are always forced to choose sides. Reminding an Uttuku of a war he lost is both impolite and unwise. It's when Bart's in the ball in the Tower of London. I don't have the books on hand to look it up. |
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