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The 7 Planes
Topic Started: Dec 15 2008, 11:22 PM (3,153 Views)
Honorius
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Back on topic then...

How many planes do you think there are in total?
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Probably 9000+

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Probably 9000+

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My estimation is 13-ish.
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Danke, surprised it took so long.
So, anybody have a question on the 7 Planes?
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What animals can see 2 planes again?
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Cats.
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Not that weird a question. I thought of it when I was reading and all I can say is IDK!
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Its weird when Nauda says "I see you Bartimaeus!" Doesn't he say that? I dont have any of the books though I'd loooove to. Probably sees him on another plane
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Yes, a plane higher than the 7th one. Cause Barty couldn't see Faquarl. Has anyone asked Stroud about the total no. of planes?
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I believe (and I'm sorry if I'm interupting a covnersation of anything-I'm new...) that physical activities such as digging, talking, writingm etc. are contained on the first plane, and then most run of the mill supernatural occurances on planes two through four. Above that, all entites can no longer (based on what is revealed in the books-Bartimaeus often says "my guise extended to the fourth plane...") alter their form, HOWEVER, there ar eno physical objects.
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There are several instances of spirits altering their forms up to sixth plane. I do like the theory that the corporeal world ceases to be present on higher planes, though that would surely mean spirits would be unable to hide on the higher planes - they'd be able to see other spirits etc through walls and stuff on high planes, and there's no evidence they can do that.
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But-the question is: is there any evidence they can't (see each other through walls?) The problem is, we only see through Bartimaeus' eyes, and from what I understand, he sort of low on the totem pole. Certainly Farqual knew Bartimaeus by sight, as did Jabor.
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Barti may be not a massively powerful spirit, but he can see up to the seventh plane (on which no spirits we encounter are able to hide their true form). He gets into numerous battles in buildings - there would be numerous opportunities for vision or even attacks through higher planes with no walls to get in the way, which never happens.
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Would a djinni attack be physical (first plane) or magical (seventh plane)? I would think it would be a first-plane act (magicians are seen using Infernos) but I could be wrong
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If magicians appear to be using attacks like Inferno, they have a bound or hidden spirit which is actually generating the attack.
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