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Topic Started: Nov 10 2008, 03:26 PM (717 Views)
dormado	Nov 10 2008, 03:26 PM Post #1
Mite Posts: 7 Group: Magicians Member #7,570 Joined: November 8, 2008 Gender: Male	Well I think there should a be a topic dedicated to golems, in which we can discuss several things: for example: 1. Could the Gladstonn's staff be used to destroy a golem. Since he is, immune from "demons of air and fire" that is afrits and djinni, we don't really know what kind of demons marids are. opinion? 2. Just how far can the golem and it's master seperate 3. Exactly how big can he be. - the instructions on creating one's body specifies that he is made from the clay "weight of a three full-grown men" - since clay's density is kinda big that's not much, in the book it was bigger. 4. How far can the Golem come back, after the scroll has been taken from his mouth? In the book he managed to go trought half of London almost and crumbled. If a golem and it's master can seperate long distances then it's quite easy to control them from another town/country maybe. And they wouldn't even be able to return to their masters... Unless their powers extend long enought to do so, no matter what, to return to their master's side. 5. How much phisical punishment could the golem take? he is surely not invincible. 6. Could a golem kill another golem? 7. Is it possible for the same master to control several golems at a time? Edited by dormado, Nov 10 2008, 03:27 PM.

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Dansariki	Nov 19 2008, 10:08 PM Post #2
Higher Spirit Posts: 5,082 Group: Magicians Member #1,135 Joined: April 22, 2007 Gender: Male	For time's sake, I'll answer all. • The first has been hotly debated in the Ramuthra vs. Golem topic. The general consensus is probably not, but it's nice to dream, isn't it? • Marids are spirits of Water, explained in the books or somewhere.... Sorry, can't recall, but they're of water. • I think that a Golem can either separate an infinite distance from their masters, or the degree of separation depends on the Master's ability. • I think the Golem's size is essentially unlimited, if only by it's usefulness. A larger Golem takes more energy (from the magician, as more powerful / many spirits do) and so would be very very bad. Nice question though. As for weight, I'd go for about a half a ton in GE, which is quite a bit more than three men. I'm explaining that as author error, character error, or a character lie. • By it's nature, the Golem must return to the creator, but in such a condition so it cannot be used again easily. So, it's rate of degradation should depend on the distance, i.e. the longer it is, the slower it degrades. Or it degrades until it can't move, but that defeats the purpose of the return. • Seems pretty damn invincible. Took a good fifteen ton statue of Ramesses II and shrugged it off. I think it's invincible to the point of overwhelming magical force, if such a force is possible, or an extremely large concussive force. • Golem v. Golem... Seems like the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object... I think they would be able to, since their magic is against that of Djinni, and they are physically strong enough to beat each other to dust. Explanation: A granite rock seems invincible, but if it is smashes againsy another granite rock, it would, in time, be pummeled into dust. • Doubt it, if only for energy concerns. A magician with two Afrits and a few Djinni would, in time, die from exhaustion. Hope I've helped. ~~ Edited by Dansariki, Nov 19 2008, 10:08 PM.
	Knowledge is Power, Power Corrupts, and Corruption Destroys. 黑暗的火 Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~Isaac Asimov There was never a good war, or a bad peace. ~Benjamin Franklin You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea. ~Medgar Evers CaffeineRiot.com
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Nero	Nov 19 2008, 10:42 PM Post #3
The Canadian Posts: 5,499 Group: Magicians Member #1,117 Joined: April 19, 2007 Gender: Male Favourite Book: Too many good books for 50 characters	Dansariki Nov 19 2008, 10:08 PM For time's sake, I'll answer all. • The first has been hotly debated in the Ramuthra vs. Golem topic. The general consensus is probably not, but it's nice to dream, isn't it? • Marids are spirits of Water, explained in the books or somewhere.... Sorry, can't recall, but they're of water. • I think that a Golem can either separate an infinite distance from their masters, or the degree of separation depends on the Master's ability. • I think the Golem's size is essentially unlimited, if only by it's usefulness. A larger Golem takes more energy (from the magician, as more powerful / many spirits do) and so would be very very bad. Nice question though. As for weight, I'd go for about a half a ton in GE, which is quite a bit more than three men. I'm explaining that as author error, character error, or a character lie. • By it's nature, the Golem must return to the creator, but in such a condition so it cannot be used again easily. So, it's rate of degradation should depend on the distance, i.e. the longer it is, the slower it degrades. Or it degrades until it can't move, but that defeats the purpose of the return. • Seems pretty damn invincible. Took a good fifteen ton statue of Ramesses II and shrugged it off. I think it's invincible to the point of overwhelming magical force, if such a force is possible, or an extremely large concussive force. • Golem v. Golem... Seems like the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object... I think they would be able to, since their magic is against that of Djinni, and they are physically strong enough to beat each other to dust. Explanation: A granite rock seems invincible, but if it is smashes againsy another granite rock, it would, in time, be pummeled into dust. • Doubt it, if only for energy concerns. A magician with two Afrits and a few Djinni would, in time, die from exhaustion. Hope I've helped. ~~ Gives standing ovation Couldn't have said it better myself. Edited by Nero, Nov 19 2008, 10:43 PM.

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David Cat	Nov 19 2008, 10:54 PM Post #4
Golem Posts: 2,731 Group: Magicians Member #7,384 Joined: July 5, 2008 Gender: Male Display latest blog link: Favourite Book: Too many from which to choose...	Nero Nov 19 2008, 10:42 PM Dansariki Nov 19 2008, 10:08 PM For time's sake, I'll answer all. • The first has been hotly debated in the Ramuthra vs. Golem topic. The general consensus is probably not, but it's nice to dream, isn't it? • Marids are spirits of Water, explained in the books or somewhere.... Sorry, can't recall, but they're of water. • I think that a Golem can either separate an infinite distance from their masters, or the degree of separation depends on the Master's ability. • I think the Golem's size is essentially unlimited, if only by it's usefulness. A larger Golem takes more energy (from the magician, as more powerful / many spirits do) and so would be very very bad. Nice question though. As for weight, I'd go for about a half a ton in GE, which is quite a bit more than three men. I'm explaining that as author error, character error, or a character lie. • By it's nature, the Golem must return to the creator, but in such a condition so it cannot be used again easily. So, it's rate of degradation should depend on the distance, i.e. the longer it is, the slower it degrades. Or it degrades until it can't move, but that defeats the purpose of the return. • Seems pretty damn invincible. Took a good fifteen ton statue of Ramesses II and shrugged it off. I think it's invincible to the point of overwhelming magical force, if such a force is possible, or an extremely large concussive force. • Golem v. Golem... Seems like the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object... I think they would be able to, since their magic is against that of Djinni, and they are physically strong enough to beat each other to dust. Explanation: A granite rock seems invincible, but if it is smashes againsy another granite rock, it would, in time, be pummeled into dust. • Doubt it, if only for energy concerns. A magician with two Afrits and a few Djinni would, in time, die from exhaustion. Hope I've helped. ~~ Gives standing ovation Couldn't have said it better myself. I could. I wouldn't have put in an apostrophe where there shouldn't be one.
	<gladstone> Sent; Dave keeps rickrolling me on l4d T_T <gladstone> With his beautiful singing voice <Sentynel> Dave: You, sir, rock. =D
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Nero	Nov 19 2008, 11:03 PM Post #5
The Canadian Posts: 5,499 Group: Magicians Member #1,117 Joined: April 19, 2007 Gender: Male Favourite Book: Too many good books for 50 characters	David Cat Nov 19 2008, 10:54 PM Nero Nov 19 2008, 10:42 PM Dansariki Nov 19 2008, 10:08 PM For time's sake, I'll answer all. • The first has been hotly debated in the Ramuthra vs. Golem topic. The general consensus is probably not, but it's nice to dream, isn't it? • Marids are spirits of Water, explained in the books or somewhere.... Sorry, can't recall, but they're of water. • I think that a Golem can either separate an infinite distance from their masters, or the degree of separation depends on the Master's ability. • I think the Golem's size is essentially unlimited, if only by it's usefulness. A larger Golem takes more energy (from the magician, as more powerful / many spirits do) and so would be very very bad. Nice question though. As for weight, I'd go for about a half a ton in GE, which is quite a bit more than three men. I'm explaining that as author error, character error, or a character lie. • By it's nature, the Golem must return to the creator, but in such a condition so it cannot be used again easily. So, it's rate of degradation should depend on the distance, i.e. the longer it is, the slower it degrades. Or it degrades until it can't move, but that defeats the purpose of the return. • Seems pretty damn invincible. Took a good fifteen ton statue of Ramesses II and shrugged it off. I think it's invincible to the point of overwhelming magical force, if such a force is possible, or an extremely large concussive force. • Golem v. Golem... Seems like the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object... I think they would be able to, since their magic is against that of Djinni, and they are physically strong enough to beat each other to dust. Explanation: A granite rock seems invincible, but if it is smashes againsy another granite rock, it would, in time, be pummeled into dust. • Doubt it, if only for energy concerns. A magician with two Afrits and a few Djinni would, in time, die from exhaustion. Hope I've helped. ~~ Gives standing ovation Couldn't have said it better myself. I could. I wouldn't have put in an apostrophe where there shouldn't be one. Lolz.

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Dansariki	Nov 21 2008, 08:57 PM Post #6
Higher Spirit Posts: 5,082 Group: Magicians Member #1,135 Joined: April 22, 2007 Gender: Male	Well thank you both, even you DC, lil turd.
	Knowledge is Power, Power Corrupts, and Corruption Destroys. 黑暗的火 Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~Isaac Asimov There was never a good war, or a bad peace. ~Benjamin Franklin You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea. ~Medgar Evers CaffeineRiot.com
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David Cat	Nov 21 2008, 09:18 PM Post #7
Golem Posts: 2,731 Group: Magicians Member #7,384 Joined: July 5, 2008 Gender: Male Display latest blog link: Favourite Book: Too many from which to choose...	Dansariki Nov 21 2008, 08:57 PM lil turd. That's the first time I've been called that...surprisingly, it must be said
	<gladstone> Sent; Dave keeps rickrolling me on l4d T_T <gladstone> With his beautiful singing voice <Sentynel> Dave: You, sir, rock. =D
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Dansariki	Nov 21 2008, 10:21 PM Post #8
Higher Spirit Posts: 5,082 Group: Magicians Member #1,135 Joined: April 22, 2007 Gender: Male	Seriously. Ah well, there's a first for everything.
	Knowledge is Power, Power Corrupts, and Corruption Destroys. 黑暗的火 Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~Isaac Asimov There was never a good war, or a bad peace. ~Benjamin Franklin You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea. ~Medgar Evers CaffeineRiot.com
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Umbreo	Dec 15 2008, 01:48 AM Post #9
Utukku Posts: 474 Group: Magicians Member #7,600 Joined: December 13, 2008 Gender: Male Favourite Book: Bartimaeus Trilogy	Dansariki Nov 19 2008, 10:08 PM • I think the Golem's size is essentially unlimited, if only by it's usefulness. A larger Golem takes more energy (from the magician, as more powerful / many spirits do) and so would be very very bad. it's stated that the golem can only be made in one night, which explains why the features of the golem are so crudely made. a magician would not have time to make a golem larger than that of three men. therefore, the golems size is limited by the magician's ability to mould large amounts of clay in a small amount of time. apart from that little detail, the rest of your answers were pretty much perfect, Dansariki, well done.
	When I set out from the boy's attic window, my head was so full of competing plans and complex strategems that I didn't look where I was going and flew straight into a chimney. Something symbolic in that. It's what fake freedom does for you.
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Dansariki	Dec 15 2008, 04:33 AM Post #10
Higher Spirit Posts: 5,082 Group: Magicians Member #1,135 Joined: April 22, 2007 Gender: Male	Well, if the magician (or magicians, see below) can do so quickly, then he could make it large. Does it say that only one magician can make the Golem? If not, then Golems could get very large indeed...
	Knowledge is Power, Power Corrupts, and Corruption Destroys. 黑暗的火 Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~Isaac Asimov There was never a good war, or a bad peace. ~Benjamin Franklin You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea. ~Medgar Evers CaffeineRiot.com
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Umbreo	Dec 16 2008, 12:10 AM Post #11
Utukku Posts: 474 Group: Magicians Member #7,600 Joined: December 13, 2008 Gender: Male Favourite Book: Bartimaeus Trilogy	yeah, i think only one magician can actually make the thing otherwise they could make massive ones, as you said Edited by Umbreo, Dec 16 2008, 12:11 AM.
	When I set out from the boy's attic window, my head was so full of competing plans and complex strategems that I didn't look where I was going and flew straight into a chimney. Something symbolic in that. It's what fake freedom does for you.
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Dansariki	Dec 19 2008, 02:30 AM Post #12
Higher Spirit Posts: 5,082 Group: Magicians Member #1,135 Joined: April 22, 2007 Gender: Male	Feh. Can you find a quote? I'm at a friend's house, I don't have the books with me. I don't remember anything limiting the number. At least not directly, i.e. 'and only one shall create it' kind of thing.
	Knowledge is Power, Power Corrupts, and Corruption Destroys. 黑暗的火 Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~Isaac Asimov There was never a good war, or a bad peace. ~Benjamin Franklin You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea. ~Medgar Evers CaffeineRiot.com
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Umbreo	Dec 19 2008, 03:13 AM Post #13
Utukku Posts: 474 Group: Magicians Member #7,600 Joined: December 13, 2008 Gender: Male Favourite Book: Bartimaeus Trilogy	Actually, there's nothing in the books that says that. I got it from the Bart Trilogy website. There's a link with the actual golem manuscript, and translated to english version. It says only one magician should make it, and not to worry about fine details because the work can only be done in one night. Have a look, it's pretty cool.
	When I set out from the boy's attic window, my head was so full of competing plans and complex strategems that I didn't look where I was going and flew straight into a chimney. Something symbolic in that. It's what fake freedom does for you.
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Dansariki	Dec 19 2008, 03:44 AM Post #14
Higher Spirit Posts: 5,082 Group: Magicians Member #1,135 Joined: April 22, 2007 Gender: Male	Well, there goes my theory. And your answer, mostly.
	Knowledge is Power, Power Corrupts, and Corruption Destroys. 黑暗的火 Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~Isaac Asimov There was never a good war, or a bad peace. ~Benjamin Franklin You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea. ~Medgar Evers CaffeineRiot.com
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Umbreo	Dec 20 2008, 05:35 AM Post #15
Utukku Posts: 474 Group: Magicians Member #7,600 Joined: December 13, 2008 Gender: Male Favourite Book: Bartimaeus Trilogy	My answer? How so? It's still legitimate information, written by Stroud.
	When I set out from the boy's attic window, my head was so full of competing plans and complex strategems that I didn't look where I was going and flew straight into a chimney. Something symbolic in that. It's what fake freedom does for you.
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