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Silver; spirit transformation
Topic Started: May 21 2008, 10:09 PM (2,266 Views)
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May 27 2008, 07:29 PM
I don't see why they couldn't take the guise of something that's not alive. Bartimaeus has turned into smoke before, right?

Right yeah, so why couldn't he turn into silver? Or can he?
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he can can can CAN..but he wont wont wont!!!!!!!!
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Right yeah, so why couldn't he turn into silver? Or can he?


Bartimaeus can look like silver, but I don't think he could actually become silver. In the book, when he takes the form of an animal it never says he actually turns into one, its just a disguise. Which is why his true form is seen on other planes.
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So acc. to you guys, spirits take take the from of non-living objects, right? But can they move in that case? Like, if they take the form of a chain, can they then strangle their opponent?
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No, spirits cannot take the form of an inanimate object.
It's what we just took up two pages talking about.
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Well, Bart has turned into smoke & he thought some spirit took the form of a footstool. So that proves spirits can take the form of an inanimate object. That's what was discussed in this page. Anyway, we need to clarify this with JS. Hope he comes back soon.
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He thought.
Key Word there.

Fine, smoke.
Fair enough there.
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He thought.
Key Word there.


Yes, but if he's been a djinn for about 5,000 years, you'd think he'd know if demons were capable of turning into inanimate objects (like footstools).
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He thought.
Key Word there.


Yes, but if he's been a djinn for about 3,000 years, you'd think he'd know if demons were capable of turning into inanimate objects (like footstools).
5,000 actually. :P
And usually djinni don't turn into inanimate objects. Too excited to stay still and when they do somehow move, it'll look strange and would scare commoners, thus further discouragement by their masters.
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Fine then, 5,000. Happy? :P I haven't read the books in awhile.

Just because it isn't used often, doesn't mean he wouldn't know. If it is possible (and I think it is), then it would be a useful talent to have. And who says they would be too excited to stay still? If that was part of the task assigned to them by their master, most demons would likely do it , for fear of punishment.
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Too excited to stay still? That does'nt sound like a spirit to me. Any work bestowed to them by their masters are far more weary then exciting.
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Somebody like Jabor then.
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Or Honorius. He was really eager to do the task Gladstone left him with.
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Here we go:

http://bartiforums.com/topic/3516/1/?x=40

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7. In the Siege of Prague, the British djinn were armoured in red and white. Was this their essence taking the form of armour, or real, physical armour? If a demon were to mold their essence into, say, a bullet-proof vest, would it be useless against a Detonation or silver bullet, or would it act like a real bullet-proof vest?


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Hmm. The Armour. It might well have been separate 'real' armour, forced upon them by Gladstone. This armour might have had special attributes that helped keep them safe. They could certainly adopt the semblance of armour, too, of course, but that wouldn't be any more bullet-proof than any other shape they took on.


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As long as the armor itself wasn't silver, it could actually help them. Wait...I don't think it's common to have armor made of silver. And is silver actually bulletproof, I wonder?

Edited by HogwartsHokage, Jun 17 2008, 03:22 AM.
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