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All Was Well?
Topic Started: Dec 3 2007, 06:04 AM (2,406 Views)
nathanielandbartimaeus
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Dec 5 2007, 07:41 PM
nathanielandbartimaeus
Dec 5 2007, 07:49 PM
Nice one Rubberchickenben.

It's lyrics from Monty Python's Always Look on the Bright Side of Life, from their film Life of Brian (go watch it, it's awesome).

Life of Brian, here I come!
And rubberchickenben it's she not he.
Anyway, no one answered my question........................
"If the bee disappears from the surface of the earth, man would have no more than four years to live. No more bees, no more pollination ... no more men!" - Einstein
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Patience, child. Some of us have school you know.

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1. Did u want Voldermort to be reborn (or some other evil dark wizard) or make the trio face another adventure? Now that would have been to fantastic to be true & excessively dumb.


What does epilogue bashing have to do with wanting Voldy to be alive again? If a dark person should die, they should stay dead, I agree. On the other hand, Harry resurrecting was also pretty stupid. (Although, if it's Bella resurrecting, I personally wouldn't mind at all. :wub:)

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2. Did u want everyone to still mourn the dead & thus waste their sacrifices?


No. I just didn't like the cliched big happy ending family; WAY too exaggerated. And Ginny becomes a quidditch star...okay...admittedly she was supposed to be described as 'good,' but not a natural or anything like Harry. I mean, wtf? Oh wait, I'm supposed to be inspired that I can do anything, right? Does that mean me, a barely under five foot female have a chance at joining the Spurs basketball team? *Yay.*

And the 'ministry revolution.' Like the government becomes insta-utopia overnight? Can you really imagine Harry or Ron being politicians?

Yeah, I'm probably rambling, but meh. Point is, I don't advocate all the characters becoming wrist slitting emos. But this is an equally worse extreme.

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3. Did u want the book to end the moment Harry leaves Dumbledore's office? Now, that would have made everyone mad cause we would all have liked to know what happened later.


I'm not protesting that there is an epilogue. I just don't like its contents. (Except for the AS/S of course.)

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4. Don't tell me u'll wanted Harry dead, cause he does'nt deserve it & it sends out a bad message to youngsters. Nathaniel was bad & needless to say had done evil things in his time, so his death is justified. Plus, we do see Dobby, Fred, Lupin etc die, is'nt that enough?


There's lots of people out there who don't deserve to die, but do. Don't kid yourself. And technically Harry did die, but came back to life cuz of a cop out, so there. And most the deaths were mindless safety characters. Sirius's death was pretty sad. Bella's death was pretty sad too (though, to be honest, I felt mostly rage there. Of all the friggin' people to kill her, MOLLY. I wanted to die right there and then. And Bella's my fav character too. :()

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Nathaniel was bad & needless to say had done evil things in his time, so his death is justified.

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RABID FANGIRLS UNITE! :P

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So please do tell me why u'll don't like the epilogue. I know it seems a sugary end to a dark series, but honestly, there is nothing mushy about it guys! Harry is just leading a NORMAL life with it's trivial problems (for a change). We all lead such lives, so tell me, do u find ur lives sugary???


Not 100% of the time. Let's see...my mom's got multiple health problems. A friend of mine has a mom who's a drug addict. I have an acquaintance who's had to endure being molested when she was young. Not to say life doesn't have trivial problems, it's loaded with them, but are you *sure* everyone you've at least laid eyes on in your life has such a rosy life?

And the mugglenet rated as a "meh" for me.
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Yo, sorry N&B. Male is the default gender for me, unless it's obvious from a sig or somesuch.
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Nathaniel was bad & needless to say had done evil things in his time, so his death is justified.

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RABID FANGIRLS UNITE! :P


And the mugglenet rated as a "meh" for me.

I'M WITH YOU SISTER!!!!

I missed the questions, but I share Mwamba's sentiments.

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So please do tell me why u'll don't like the epilogue. I know it seems a sugary end to a dark series, but honestly, there is nothing mushy about it guys! Harry is just leading a NORMAL life with it's trivial problems (for a change). We all lead such lives, so tell me, do u find ur lives sugary???


Not 100% of the time. Let's see...my mom's got multiple health problems. A friend of mine has a mom who's a drug addict. I have an acquaintance who's had to endure being molested when she was young. Not to say life doesn't have trivial problems, it's loaded with them, but are you *sure* everyone you've at least laid eyes on in your life has such a rosy life?



First of all, I've read fanfiction with better prose than that epilogue. For a world famous author, with several awards, you'd expect a better ending that "All was well"

In this genre, good endings are supposed to purge the reader of emotion, create cartharsis, or whatever. When people finished BT, they felt like crying. Personally HP left me with such an "Ok....good for you, now what?" feeling. It's like it was building up to be something so great and then just spluttered and died.

And it's true, I also have a sick parent, I also know people who can tell you life isn't always as great as HP makes it sound. Just because you're a good person and you try to save the world, doesn't mean you'll be successful and well-liked.
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I mostly agree with everyone. In real life, the good people die, the bad still somehow live. Most of the time. Sometimes, they die. Haven't you seen the Green Mile?
I like that Harry's in a normal life. It just seems too...perfect.
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Thanks a lot for answering, though sadly, no one seems to agree with me..........

I think u'll r right when u'll say that not all good ppl need live a life of happiness later on. True, Harry, Ron , Hermione etcetc. seem to be living a very peaceful life, but v don't know for sure. Well, they might have loads of problems later on (cause many are still quite young to have health problems etc.). Now, yes I admit their life is on the rosier side.

I did'nt mind Harry resurrecting at all, it seemed a unique plot to me (excluding The Bible, of course). Infact, I quite liked the idea. But that is strictly based on one's perception. By the way Mwamba, y do u like Bellatrix so much?

Ginny is from a family of good quidditch players & has been breaking into her brother's broomshed from the age of 6, to have a try on their brooms. Also, her seeking ability was said to be passable, not Chasing. She was one of the top goal scorer's for the Gryffindor team. Nothing anyone can't achieve with a lots of practice (add the genes in Ginny's case).

Harry & Ron are not politicians, they are Aurors. True, they work for the government but that does'nt make them politicians. No one could have called Mad-Eye & Tonks politicians.

And about them all getting top notch jobs, well they deserve it. Fred & George made loads of money cause half the ppl in the Ministry could not produce a simple Shielding Charm. Harry & co were also in the DA & that helped them a lot. And no where is it mentioned that the Ministry was revolutionised in a day.

OK, many did'nt deserve to die but died. So, it's not that all the good ppl survived , right? Personally, I found Lupin a better guy than Harry. Still (for me & me alone) Harry's death would have been almost as bad as Bartimaeus's (come on, shout at me, scream & rage). Coz I have known Harry for more than 7 yrs & find him to be a very nice person (I know I sound foolish).

What a long mail! I'm sorry I need to go now, but promise to answer all ur posts(if they are dictated to me, that is).

"If the bee disappears from the surface of the earth, man would have no more than four years to live. No more bees, no more pollination ... no more men!" - Einstein
"I like quoting Einstein. Know why? Because nobody dares contradict you." - Studs Terkel.
<@Ximenez> Sentynel: But i have a life? No. Qed.
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Dec 10 2007, 09:33 AM
What a long mail! I'm sorry I need to go now, but promise to answer all ur posts(if they are dictated to me, that is).

Hmm...odd. That sounds like you own this forum... ;)
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Dec 10 2007, 08:41 PM
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Dec 10 2007, 09:33 AM
What a long mail! I'm sorry I need to go now, but promise to answer all ur posts(if they are dictated to me, that is).

Hmm...odd. That sounds like you own this forum... ;)

Does it really sound like that? I'm awfully sorry then coz that was never my intention. R u talking abt the 'dictated' part? That was just added after I promised to answer all mails. Obviously that is'nt possible so I added the other sentence as an afterthought.
"If the bee disappears from the surface of the earth, man would have no more than four years to live. No more bees, no more pollination ... no more men!" - Einstein
"I like quoting Einstein. Know why? Because nobody dares contradict you." - Studs Terkel.
<@Ximenez> Sentynel: But i have a life? No. Qed.
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Dude. The ;) means a joke. Well it infers that.
But back on topic...
I still say the ending was a bit of a disappointment. I was hoping for something more from such a great author.
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Dec 11 2007, 08:36 PM
Dude. The ;) means a joke. Well it infers that.

Did'nt know that :cry: .

Do u know 'The Order Of The Pheonix' was telecasted on the 10th here in India? I mean, the DVD's have just been introduced & it was a big surprise to see the whole movie telecasted properly .
"If the bee disappears from the surface of the earth, man would have no more than four years to live. No more bees, no more pollination ... no more men!" - Einstein
"I like quoting Einstein. Know why? Because nobody dares contradict you." - Studs Terkel.
<@Ximenez> Sentynel: But i have a life? No. Qed.
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I think u'll r right when u'll say that not all good ppl need live a life of happiness later on. True, Harry, Ron , Hermione etcetc. seem to be living a very peaceful life, but v don't know for sure. Well, they might have loads of problems later on (cause many are still quite young to have health problems etc.). Now, yes I admit their life is on the rosier side.


*Everybody's* life problems doesn't follow closely with the arrival of a dark lord. Then again her main focus is anybody who's directly close to the golden trio....

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I did'nt mind Harry resurrecting at all, it seemed a unique plot to me (excluding The Bible, of course). Infact, I quite liked the idea. But that is strictly based on one's perception.


*Shrug* If JK knew he was going to live, give everybody sacrificial insurance, not even have to kill Voldy directly but just with a disarming spell, and go off to have a billion babies, why JK said she 'cried' while she was writing Harry's way to his death is still beyond me.

Although, I am evading your question, aren't I? But can you explain how

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"Voldemort cannot kill Harry because he used Harry's blood in his resurrection."


isn't the biggest stupid cop out you've ever read? Voldy could touch him, and was about to do so in book 4. There was no doubt he could have (were it not for that wand brother thingy.) Or am I just not getting something?

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By the way Mwamba, y do u like Bellatrix so much?


For the same reasons that makes Ginny allegedly wonderful. She's intelligent, beautiful, loyal, independent, fierce, and just is plain cool. The woman's got style. Nobody would dare mess with her. Only, what makes her different is that she's canonly acknowledged she's a psychopath. She's not one person meant to portray another. When I read her, I don't hear the author shouting behind her "LOVE ME!" I AM WOMAN! I AM WONDERFUL!" Her attributes come to her naturally instead of overnight randomly.


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Ginny is from a family of good quidditch players & has been breaking into her brother's broomshed from the age of 6, to have a try on their brooms. Also, her seeking ability was said to be passable, not Chasing. She was one of the top goal scorer's for the Gryffindor team. Nothing anyone can't achieve with a lots of practice (add the genes in Ginny's case).


*hands in ears* MARYSUEMARYSUEMARYSUELALALALALALA

Bleh, it just sounded out of nowhere and random to me. Oliver Wood, yes. Katie Bell, yes. Ginny's is the love of Harry's love, she's supposed to be so important, where was the hint she was going to do this? It was out of nowhere, just like her random instant popularity and larger-than-life personality.

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Harry & Ron are not politicians, they are Aurors. True, they work for the government but that does'nt make them politicians. No one could have called Mad-Eye & Tonks politicians.


JK did say in a webchat they 'revolutionized' the ministry. Surely they must have a bit more influence in the other departments to accomplish that? O.o

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And about them all getting top notch jobs, well they deserve it. Fred & George made loads of money cause half the ppl in the Ministry could not produce a simple Shielding Charm. Harry & co were also in the DA & that helped them a lot. And no where is it mentioned that the Ministry was revolutionised in a day.


Overnight is a bit of my own exaggeration, but 19 years doesn't seem all that realistic either.

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well they deserve it

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I think u'll r right when u'll say that not all good ppl need live a life of happiness later on.


Right.

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OK, many did'nt deserve to die but died. So, it's not that all the good ppl survived , right? Personally, I found Lupin a better guy than Harry. Still (for me & me alone) Harry's death would have been almost as bad as Bartimaeus's (come on, shout at me, scream & rage). Coz I have known Harry for more than 7 yrs & find him to be a very nice person (I know I sound foolish).


Like Bella. :yes:

If Harry was going to die, he should have stayed died. I felt so screwed over, being led on, climatic, exiting, dramatic build up, then a weak ass explanation later on why it didn't happen.
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Um, in 4, Voldy did touch Harry's cheek.
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Yes, Voldy could touch Harry in book 4 cause he shared Harry's blood which enabled him to acquire Lily's protection. But when he directed the killing curse at him, the horcrux in Harry's body (which was devoid of Lily's protection) died, but Harry survived, as the protection was intended for him & this protection was alive in Voldy's veins. However, Voldy died later cause though Lily's protection exisited in his body, it did not work for him, as it was not meant for him. Clear?

Jo crying near the end of the book was nothing aberrant. It would have been odd had she not cried. An author needs to place herself/himself in a character's position to clearly depict his/her feelings. Jo possesses this quality in abundance & it is this quality which makes her such a good writer.She would not have been able to write the chapter well had she not possessed the ability to drop her pre -conceived notion of saving Harry.
If u did not manage to understand, whatever I was trying to explain in the earlier paragraph, I don't blame u. As my English teacher constantly reminds me, I am no good at exponding stuff.

The main reason I dislike Bella so much is because, she killed Sirius, Tonks & Dobby (not sure about Fred). If she did kill Fred (I think Rookwood did it, but I am not certain), then I just detest her!

Ginny might have been good from the very start. She's not in Harry's class, so initially, we v don't get to know whether she was good or not. The first Quidditch try-outs that took place in the Gryffindor team since she joined Hogwarts was in her 4th year i.e Harry's 5th year. She was selected then.
I don't think she is a Mary- Sue. Truthfully, I think quite the opposite. She was stupid in her first year, trusting her innermost secrets & fears with a writing dairy, inspite of being from a wizarding family. Also, she made herself a complete fool whenever Harry was in the vicinity. In the later years, she became more confident, though yet, I did'nt find her very smart, brave or talented. She could imitate ppl quite well, play Quidditch well too & cast a few good spell's, but so what? I have seen much more talented ppl in my lifetime. She's so famous solely cause she is pretty.

Harry & co. mainly managed to revolutionize the department by destroying Voldermort. The second part must have been simple. The members of The Order Of The Pheonix would have all been placed in good posts esp. with Kingsley's backing. And their job was just to implement laws which were bound to be good for wizardkind. And 19 years is a lot of time for doing that.

Again, I am hard pressed for time. So, bye for now.

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Even Ginny was useful, she produced Albus. (And right after the epilogue I firmly believe she is destined to be hit by a muggle who was drinking and driving in the parking lot. At the station. :D)

LMFAO. oh god, i wish. i wholeheartedly agree with the Sue bit. i wouldn't hate her as much if i didn't feel i was being bashed over the head with the "GINNY IS WONDERFUL AND SPECIAL" crap. if Rowling had shown us why she was so great but flawed at the same time, i might have liked her. plus, the whole "if you pine over a guy for long enough he'll eventually notice you" thing doesn't sit well with me. oh, and the whole monster in Harry's chest... wtf?

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And JK totally made a typo. She meant to say "AS/S was well."
LMFAO. best ship name ever. even if i'm not a supporter.

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If Harry was going to die, he should have stayed died.
i wanted him to die for the simple fact that i knew he'd end up with Ginny if he didn't. i got screwed two times over.

just out of curiousity, what house does everyone think the ASP will be in? i'm hoping anything but gryffindor, because all i ever read is: 'well his parents were Gryffindors so he will be too' (never mind that Sirius went against his family and the Patil twins were in different houses) and 'he seems too sweet to be a Slytherin' (never mind that Slytherin is the house of cunning and ambition, not, 'oh noes it's the house of terribly incurable evil-ness!'). plus it's unimaginative and so devoid of potential compared to Slytherin!Albus. so i'm supporting Slytherin!Albus.

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Oh yes. I was so mad at the seventh book. "All of Hogwarts banded together for the final battle except the Slytherins." Maybe there'd be MORE Slytherins who'd support the dark side...but yeah. And it's only purified in the end when the good guys take over and fix up their children. *snort*

Sure it showed a few good Slytherins but Snape was only good cuz he was in love with a friggin' Gryfinndor.

Yay, someone else who agrees with me.

But I prefer Hufflepuff!Albus tbh. They get the even shorter end of the stick.
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