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Big Plot Hole; In the first book
Topic Started: Sep 18 2007, 01:46 AM (1,973 Views)
DaAlCh	Sep 18 2007, 01:46 AM Post #1
Mouler Posts: 29 Group: Magicians Member #92 Joined: April 1, 2006	In The Amulet of Samarkand, Nathaniel makes his beloved scrying glass. He uses it to look at all sorts of things. The baby-imp has no trouble finding people it doesn't know, Mrs. Lutyens... Underwood... Bartimaeus. The Scrying Glass is able to "tell" where people are. It is able to tell that Underwood is in the Tower of London, when it is half a mile away. Which leads me to ask... Why doesn't Lovelace use a scrying glass to find out where Bartimaeus was during the first half of the book? Lovelace knew Bart took the Amulet, Faquarl and Jabor told him so. If a 12 year-old can make a scrying glass, why doesn't anyone in the whole Lovelace conspiracy have one?

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Apollo	Sep 18 2007, 01:48 AM Post #2
Marid Posts: 4,355 Group: Magicians Member #925 Joined: March 5, 2007 Gender: Male	I guess he would have suspected Bartimaeus to kill the imp on site. That's what I would do.
	Hello, I wish to register a complaint.
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Queezle7	Sep 18 2007, 01:50 AM Post #3
Horla Posts: 761 Group: Magicians Member #1,406 Joined: June 30, 2007	Yeah. And, did he know that it was specificly Bart that took the scrying glass? Besides, it's bound to be easier for you to find Bart if he's working for you, and wants you to find him. And Nat's no normal 12 year old.
	Look, Queezle.
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DaAlCh	Sep 18 2007, 02:02 AM Post #4
Mouler Posts: 29 Group: Magicians Member #92 Joined: April 1, 2006	Yes, Lovelace did know Bartimaeus took the Amulet. Page 278-279 of Aos: "Because I know what carried out the raid. It goes by the name of Bartimaeus." and... "It was a bungler! It allowed itself to be identified!" So, yes. Lovelace did know that it was Bartimaeus who stole the amulet. Even though Bart probably would have eaten a scrying-glass imp if he noticed it, it seems strange that Lovelace doesn't even try to search for Bart's general location.

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Vinr Alfakyn	Sep 18 2007, 11:57 PM Post #5
Utukku Posts: 568 Group: Magicians Member #1,320 Joined: June 16, 2007 Gender: Female Favourite Book: A Christmas Carol . . . Honestly.	All Farquals fualt, btw. <_< And Jabor too, i guess. And maybe lovelace thought he was above all that. Or just didnt even consider it. Scrying glasses are pretty elementry work. He was probably relying on his spirits. Ha! Someone beating Bart. :lol:

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Dansariki	Sep 21 2007, 12:35 AM Post #6
Higher Spirit Posts: 5,082 Group: Magicians Member #1,135 Joined: April 22, 2007 Gender: Male	lolz. I agree with the point of not thinking of it. Too childish for the "Great" Simon Lovelace.
	Knowledge is Power, Power Corrupts, and Corruption Destroys. 黑暗的火 Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~Isaac Asimov There was never a good war, or a bad peace. ~Benjamin Franklin You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea. ~Medgar Evers CaffeineRiot.com
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AkRene	Oct 3 2007, 02:00 AM Post #7
Foliot Posts: 186 Group: Magicians Member #1,500 Joined: July 17, 2007	"Great" Phhhhhhbbb! Ha, but couldn't you use a greater type of spirit in a scrying glass? I mean if you had enough power, you could trap Farquarl in one and have the equivilent of a scrying telescope.
	"Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic." Crazier than Honorius.
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Vinr Alfakyn	Oct 3 2007, 05:23 AM Post #8
Utukku Posts: 568 Group: Magicians Member #1,320 Joined: June 16, 2007 Gender: Female Favourite Book: A Christmas Carol . . . Honestly.	yeah, but he probably never condsidered his defences being breached or defeated, which, ofc, only someone as amazing as Bartimaeus himself could do, and was caught in his blind spot. Plus as i said before, he prbably thought his deamons could take Bart anytime. BIG mistake there, bud.

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AkRene	Oct 3 2007, 11:48 PM Post #9
Foliot Posts: 186 Group: Magicians Member #1,500 Joined: July 17, 2007	Motto of this one: "Never underestimate anyone. Ever." Though you have to admit, between Jabor's brawn and Farquarl's brains and brawn, thats only underestimating a select few.
	"Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic." Crazier than Honorius.
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Dansariki	Oct 5 2007, 01:05 AM Post #10
Higher Spirit Posts: 5,082 Group: Magicians Member #1,135 Joined: April 22, 2007 Gender: Male	Quite. Like Barti. Then again, He never got a good word about his from Faquarl and Jabor.
	Knowledge is Power, Power Corrupts, and Corruption Destroys. 黑暗的火 Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~Isaac Asimov There was never a good war, or a bad peace. ~Benjamin Franklin You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea. ~Medgar Evers CaffeineRiot.com
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AkRene	Oct 5 2007, 02:56 AM Post #11
Foliot Posts: 186 Group: Magicians Member #1,500 Joined: July 17, 2007	...about his _____, what? Your sentence was broken off.
	"Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic." Crazier than Honorius.
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Dansariki	Apr 2 2008, 06:21 PM Post #12
Higher Spirit Posts: 5,082 Group: Magicians Member #1,135 Joined: April 22, 2007 Gender: Male	Say what?
	Knowledge is Power, Power Corrupts, and Corruption Destroys. 黑暗的火 Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~Isaac Asimov There was never a good war, or a bad peace. ~Benjamin Franklin You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea. ~Medgar Evers CaffeineRiot.com
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nathanielandbartimaeus	Apr 29 2008, 03:48 PM Post #13
Golem Posts: 3,014 Group: Magicians Member #1,207 Joined: May 14, 2007 Gender: Female Display latest blog link: Yes Favourite Book: Survival of the Sickest	???
	Jonathan Stroud 1. Queezle - Her name doesn't come from anywhere, I don't think. I just made it up! It was kind of meant to make her sound nice. I feel a bit sorry that I killed her off so fast; she is an interesting character. Falling in love is not at all the most stupid thing that people do — but gravitation cannot be held responsible for it.
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Queezle7	Apr 29 2008, 10:50 PM Post #14
Horla Posts: 761 Group: Magicians Member #1,406 Joined: June 30, 2007	It's amazing how much time we spend debating grammar on this forum.
	Look, Queezle.
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Dansariki	Apr 30 2008, 05:06 PM Post #15
Higher Spirit Posts: 5,082 Group: Magicians Member #1,135 Joined: April 22, 2007 Gender: Male	I meant it to say abilities. And, that just shows how anal we can be. lolz
	Knowledge is Power, Power Corrupts, and Corruption Destroys. 黑暗的火 Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~Isaac Asimov There was never a good war, or a bad peace. ~Benjamin Franklin You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea. ~Medgar Evers CaffeineRiot.com
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