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| Queezle7 | Aug 20 2007, 09:33 PM Post #331 |
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Inside of a mountain. Not into. And I very seriously doubt that Paolini sat down, and thought, hey, since Star Wars is so popular, I'll write and identical story using dragons. Of course, it really isn't an identical story using dragons... And as for Urgals, everyone needs some sort of bad guy that you don't feel bad about killing. Although Paolini might actually be trying to invoke some sympathy into it. While Tolkien didn't. Of course, Tolkien is still better. But Paolini is still good. |
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| Sentynel | Aug 21 2007, 12:54 AM Post #332 |
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No, no he didn't, he thought "hey, I'll write a book I'd like to read" (and he's actually said that) and what he wanted to read just happened to be a Star Wars/Lord of the Rings hybrid... |
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| Athena | Aug 21 2007, 01:48 AM Post #333 |
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Will you please stop trying to prove your point by captalizing on minor details? Since pointing out the similarities of the books doesn't seem to be working lets move on to writing style. The man doesn't know how to write. All of his work seems like he wrote it once, and then didn't bother to go back over and improve it. Like it hasn't been properly polished. I'll admit that at first draft sometimes writing looks like this, and it would be an enormous task to edit that saga he has going. Never the less the books are choppy and don't flow well. Paloni doesn't describe whats going on in an interesting fashion. The best of writers can bend words so that it feels like you are really there. Paloni simply tells you. He makes up for plainess and lack of emotion with over examining not very interesting scenarios. And his battle scenes are almost painful. Not to mention his horrible grammar. The books may seem alright when you first read them but compaired to other better authors, Paloni's just a kid who decided he wanted to write a book just like all of his favorites. Too bad he didn't have the talent to pull it off. |
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| Artemis | Aug 23 2007, 01:00 AM Post #334 |
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Look at the way he writes. His sentences have no flow, he either uses too few commas, or not enough commas, it is very "choppy". When he writes, he will describe what is going on, stop a moment for description, (And he rarely begins a new paragraph when he does so.) and then go back to the action. Example: "Wind howled through the night, carrying a scent that would change the world. A tall Shade lifted his head and sniffed the air. He looked human except for his crimson hair and maroon eyes. He blinked in surprise. The message had been correct; they were here. Or was it a trap? He weighed the odds, then said icily, "Spread out; hide behind trees and bushes. Stop whoever is coming . . . or die." Something better might have been: Wind howled thorugh the cool night, carrying a scent that could change the world. A tall Shade raised his head and sniffed the air, hoping to find what he was looking for. He blinked in suprise. So the message he had recieved had been correct. They were here. But what if this was all just a clever trap? He weighed his odds before turning to his followers and hissing, "Spread out, hide behind the trees and bushes. You know what to do." He turned and took his position. He knew that they had stop whoever was coming. They would do it, or they would die. He shook his head in agitation, hoping not to be seen. In a crowded city, he could perhaps have passed for a human. But in a forest with no one else around, no one was going to miss the fact that he had crimson hair and maroon eyes. Or, something like that. I was a little half-assed in my re-writing. |
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| rubberchickenben | Aug 25 2007, 07:46 PM Post #335 |
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Don't compare Tolkien and Paolini Elves. They are completely and utterly different. |
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| Athena | Aug 26 2007, 12:08 AM Post #336 |
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Well certainly the Tolkiens elves have more depth to them. But Paloni certainly did some ripping off there. His are loose copies of Lord of the Rings. |
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| Queezle7 | Aug 26 2007, 04:24 AM Post #337 |
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And Tolkien's elves are loose copies from mythology. Paolini could quite possibly used the same sources that Tolkien did. |
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| Athena | Aug 26 2007, 01:26 PM Post #338 |
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Most magical creatures found in books are taken from mythology. I mean JK used centuars, giants, merpeople, hipogriffs, dragons, unicorns - the list goes on. |
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There is a sort of busy worm, That will the fairest book deform, Their tasteless tooth will tear and taint The poet, patiot,sage or saint, Nor sparing wit nor learning. Now, if you'd know the reason why, The best of reasons I'll supply; 'Tis bread to this poor vermin. J. Doraston | |
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| Queezle7 | Aug 28 2007, 12:51 PM Post #339 |
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So they can and Paolini can't? |
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| Athena | Aug 28 2007, 12:53 PM Post #340 |
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It's not that Paloni isn't allowed to use magical creatures. It's just that his cast of magical creatures is almost identical to that of LOtR, and he isn't as good an author. Did you even read Artemis's piece up there? She wrote that in about five seconds, but even that was better than Paloni's original version. |
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There is a sort of busy worm, That will the fairest book deform, Their tasteless tooth will tear and taint The poet, patiot,sage or saint, Nor sparing wit nor learning. Now, if you'd know the reason why, The best of reasons I'll supply; 'Tis bread to this poor vermin. J. Doraston | |
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| Queezle7 | Aug 28 2007, 02:47 PM Post #341 |
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Yes, maybe, but I that might not have been the point he wanted to get across. He seemed a little more sure of himself in Paolini's version, and a little less emotional. Besides, he'd probably stand out more in a city. |
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| Sentynel | Aug 28 2007, 05:19 PM Post #342 |
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But the point is that she doesn't just TELL you "He is a shade. He has red hair. He has maroon eyes. He looks human otherwise." |
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| rubberchickenben | Aug 29 2007, 08:42 PM Post #343 |
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Do these sound like Norse myth Elves: extremely fast, extremely strong, extremely magical, always perfect, beautiful, etc. All he did was take Tolkien's elves and turn them into ubermensch (too lazy for accents). If they were in an RPG, they would have to have an experience point penalty of about 50%, they are so much stronger than the other sentient, bipedal races. Dragons don;t count as they are way, way too strong to be PCs (player charcters). |
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| Athena | Aug 30 2007, 01:31 AM Post #344 |
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Thank you Sentynel! I agree there are points in Artemis's version that could be made better but she only did it in five minutes as an example. If you think the Shade in Paloni's version seems more 'sure' of himself, maybe its because his lines are blunt and forward and the description is sorely lacking/ |
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There is a sort of busy worm, That will the fairest book deform, Their tasteless tooth will tear and taint The poet, patiot,sage or saint, Nor sparing wit nor learning. Now, if you'd know the reason why, The best of reasons I'll supply; 'Tis bread to this poor vermin. J. Doraston | |
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| Artemis | Aug 31 2007, 11:45 PM Post #345 |
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Five minutes? That took me about ten seconds. My point was, that no matter how small a role a character is given, they should seem dynamic and not static. I was also trying to point out that Paolini's style needs some work. For example, he will be telling the story, pause for description, and then continue the story. Good writers blend the two together. |
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