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| Krim | Aug 19 2006, 05:52 PM Post #61 |
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I don't think it will improve. He doesn't listen to critics and what he's doing now is selling because little kids gobble up epics between reading Harry Potter. Learn the difference between marketable and good.
Except for the not-so-minor fact he decided to publish it and accept Knopf's offer, which is unforgivable if you want to use the 'but he wrote it for fun' argument. If he wrote it to pass the time, he shouldn't PUBLISH IT, especially when it's a fanfiction. Get it? But he was faced with the money advance from Knopf, and so he sold a book, which means he's instantly vulnerable to criticism of his book despite his age and inexperience.
He's not more mature. He's a pseudo-mature person who attempts to incorporate mature things into his writing: hairless elf groins, Saphira attempting to rape an elder dragon a hundred or so years her elder. Eldest was ripped off of Star Wars. The entire story is. I'm sorry, but it's too close to be the archetypical hero story.
So it's okay to find roadkill and eat it, as long as the animal doesn't care? They are so in tune with nature that they are practically part of it and sing songs to warp the trees to their bidding. 'cept that they defile the animal by slicing off its fur and wearing it around. And leather is not practical, because Arya wears it as casual clothing. Leather clothing is far too uncomfortable for that...THE HORRIBLE CHAFING.
Wait, it's sticking out of the upper side? So it's up through the belt and up his back or his side? Well, that would certainly make no sense, seeing as how when it's through the belt then it'd be nearly impossible to move in that direction because the sword would act as a splint. That's why you would wear a five-foot sword on your back. Put a broom through your belt and lean in that direction, and notice that it makes no sense to travel with a solid, straight object sticking up your side. If Zar'roc was up his back, the middle or so of the blade would be held in place. Unless it's hanging from the belt at the middle and free to move around, in which when he walks the blade would always slap against his legs and the handle would slap his shoulder. Very smart way to travel. I don't know what you're talking about concerning bridle injuries, so I won't pretend to.
He likes describing, sure, but he published it, to a world that is becoming more minimalist every day, intending for it to be read, despite that the description is his personal style. Not to mention that he actually had an editor, that didn't notice things like it's impossible to eat a blackberry one corpuscle at a time because it'd just be crushed into a pulpy mess. You can't use inexperience and youth for a defense, because he published it to the public, which instantly destroys any credibility that the story is simply written for himself. Why not read a story that is somewhat original, entertaining, and interesting? They exist. George R.R. Martin's series starting with A Game of Thrones (sure, it's an epic, but he does things in an original and realistic way) and Perdido Street Station by China Mieville. If you like description, take the Gormenghast Trilogy by Peake; it's the most descriptive book I've ever heard of, with the biggest vocabulary and most beautiful prose and best characters imaginable. If you think Paolini's description of everything is good, you'll weep tears of joy reading Peake...
I don't. You can't just predict a flourishing career of someone just because they could possibly become better. Face it, he's not so good literary-wise right now. He does know how to make a Frankenstein's Monster of other books and make it appeal to fans, but he will never become as good as Tolkien, let alone people like Phillip Pullman and George R. R. Martin. Yes, Tolkien was an old man, and he waited until he was an old man to publish his books. Paolini decided to ride the young author gravy train with an inexperienced book. Unless sheltered Paolini drastically changes so that his parents no longer control his life (he has said his mother has expressly forbidden him to speak of religion, and his father deletes posts on IF that criticizes Paolini even if they're just pointing out mistakes in prose and whatnot). The philosophies were poorly articulated, because he inserted himself into the perfect race of his world. Imagine that, the all-knowing wise people who are perfect and so in tune with the world they sing to trees, also share Paolini's ideals. But the big bad dwarves who are only known for mining and fighting, and are a superstitious bunch, are instantly bashed by Arya while she is talking 'politely' about why their entire religion is wrong. Didn't Orin perform an experiment with a barometer or some such? Carnoc, of the anti-shurtugals, noted something like Surda would have to be like 20,000 feet above sea level for the results to turn up. Paolini just really doesn't know what he's talking about, and has no one to contest the idiocy of what he's doing. And by the way, I am not jealous of Paolini. I can write better than Eragon, and I'm fourteen. No, I'm not bragging saying I'm some fantastic writer of epic porportions who will probably be the best Shakespeare, but I know the writing mechanics. Show, don't tell; use adverbs sparingly; do not use unnecessary variants of the word 'said'; and last but not least, I do not derive my plot from my idols. I know how to write literature, not Da Vinci Code.
Don't think that's bad? Well, don't become a writer. I'm not jealous of him, sorry. I argue against him because he's supposedly the representative of young authors, being the big one of this generation with his movie and game deals. But I don't want this person to be what other people judge my writing by, like you are here: 'you're just jealous because you can't write like him'. Sorry, try again. |
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| Ianna | Aug 19 2006, 06:18 PM Post #62 |
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Wow. This has become one intense debate. And, though I like the books, I kind of have to agree they are a bit of a rip-off on a lot o of fantasy/sci-fi books. Seriously, follow the plot lines and compare them to The Dragonriders of Pern, Lord of the Rings, and Star Wars. And if Eragon ends up with Arya I think there might be a law suit. Oh, I just finished reading the hate mail. Again I fear for the human race. |
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| Post | Aug 19 2006, 06:31 PM Post #63 |
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PAOLINI IS SATAN, AVERT YOUR EYES LEST THEY BURN |
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| Ianna | Aug 19 2006, 06:35 PM Post #64 |
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He's not that bad. He has potential, just not that much. Ok, fine, I'm being nice because I read his book and liked it for entertainment vaule when nothing else was in the library. But still.... |
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| Post | Aug 19 2006, 06:41 PM Post #65 |
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But still...? ELABORATE OR SUFFER HELL! |
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| Ianna | Aug 19 2006, 06:44 PM Post #66 |
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Ok. Basically, he's a sort of "poser" author who's rewriting already written stories and tries to add mature content to make people think he's mature. But the books are enjoyable if you forget that. |
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| Post | Aug 19 2006, 06:47 PM Post #67 |
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Heh, you forget the other failings. Faulty descripting, lack of good flow yadda yadda... |
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| Ianna | Aug 19 2006, 06:49 PM Post #68 |
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I don't want to be torn apart by the Eragon fans. But then again I don't to be torn apart by the haters either. |
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| Post | Aug 19 2006, 06:51 PM Post #69 |
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Neutrals will be torn apart by both sides. |
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| Ianna | Aug 19 2006, 06:52 PM Post #70 |
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I know. But I don't hate the books. But in all honesty I can't say they're all that great either. |
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| Post | Aug 19 2006, 06:53 PM Post #71 |
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Ambiguity will not be accepted. |
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| Ianna | Aug 19 2006, 06:54 PM Post #72 |
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Oh, whatever. I refuse to say the books are brilliant, but I refuse to burn them. Get over it. |
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| Post | Aug 19 2006, 06:56 PM Post #73 |
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Impudence and Lack of clear stand will not be tolerated. |
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| Ianna | Aug 19 2006, 06:58 PM Post #74 |
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Oh, stop pressuring me. Let me read book three and then I'll either flame it or say it's good. Never brilliant. |
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| Post | Aug 19 2006, 06:59 PM Post #75 |
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Request for time to prepare molotovs granted. |
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