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Creation Vs Evolution.
Topic Started: Feb 6 2006, 05:31 PM (7,962 Views)
Luciene
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I'm Catholic.

Jesus is God, because everything in the bible, that he did was fortold so many years ago, in the Old Testament. Like the way, he died, it's in Isaiah.

And, how do you know that he didn't do all those miracles? Personally, I can believe, because of all the miracles that happen today. You live in India rite? Ever heard of St. Francis Xavier? His body's in Goa and even though he died 500 years ago, it still hasn't decomposed.

Edit: so you're an atheist? or agnostic?
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*Shurg* You can argue about this all day, people have been argueing for eternity, at the end of a very long day, God isn't disproven, but God is diminished.

According to Catholics, Jesus is the son of God.
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God
is a person of flesh and bones who knows everything, so he can do
anything.
yea, thats right, I beleive god has a body, and is not just a spirit. I
also beleive trinity is absolutly false. that the father the son and
the holy ghost are 3 seperate beings.
Yea, its possible that the bible has a lot of metaphors that a lot of
people take literaly. But by 7 days, maybe where ever god lives they
measure days differnetly. or maybe the same way, but his
planter/sun/box or waht ever, spins slower

jk about the box, btw
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Jul 3 2006, 01:20 AM
God is a person of flesh and bones who knows everything, so he can do anything.


If he is of flesh and bone, he can't be omnipotent, can he? Omnisent maybe, but not Omnipotent
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I don't think God is isolated in heaven. It's not a spirit or a ghost, God's creation. A part of everything.

But he's not flesh and bones, 'cause that's what we are and obviously, he's better.
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Why not?
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I don't think God is isolated in heaven. It's not a spirit or a ghost, God's creation. A part of everything.

But he's not flesh and bones, 'cause that's what we are and obviously, he's better.

Everything and Nothing, God is truth, I've said. Or alernately Truth is God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God

Try this. It clarifies for and against for god.

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Are you Atheist?

Maybe, I don't know.
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Because he'd be limited by things like pain, and time and space.
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Heh, here it comes, Intelligent Design now, Right? Full Circle.
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My religion actually believes that’s one of the reasons we came to earth, to get a body. Once we die, we get resurrected like Jesus did, but our bodies are perfect, we need not eat drink or sleep. We feel no pain. And since satan and his followers didn’t agree with gods plan, they’ll never get a body, so theyre even more imperfect right now than you or me are.

and yes, I do beleive in inteligent deisgn. God didnt just point and say, let there be light, and all of hte sudden a sun appeared. He said let there be light, and the process of teh gas combining and stuff was started, and at the end os his day, a sun was there.
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God is truth, I've said. Or alernately Truth is God.

So, the truth will set you free?

And Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life" (not trying to convert you or nothing)

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Intelligent design holds only if evolution is false and God is true. And let's face it: God is far from absolutely proven.

And luciene? Truth in the Mathematical sense.
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That's why faith is the basis of all religions. You need to trust.

And you can believe in God and Evolution at the same time. We're not in the middle ages, it's flexible
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Do you even know what inteligetn deisng is? God isnt just some magical being that says "fire", and fire appears. God says fire and a process is started where fire starts to be made. and also, god doesnt say, evolve, and a dinasaur becomes a bird, god says it, and the molecules and atoms and cells start adapting to their enviormetn, and after thousands of years, the things is evolved.
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Intelligent design is presented as an alternative to natural explanations for evolution. This stands in opposition to mainstream biological science, which relies on experimentation to explain the natural world through observed physical processes such as mutation and natural selection.

Intelligent design's stated purpose is to investigate whether or not existing empirical evidence implies that life on Earth must have been designed by an intelligent agent or agents. William A. Dembski, one of intelligent design's leading proponents, has stated that the fundamental claim of intelligent design is that "there are natural systems that cannot be adequately explained in terms of undirected natural forces and that exhibit features which in any other circumstance we would attribute to intelligence."

Proponents of intelligent design look for evidence of what they term "signs of intelligence": physical properties of an object that point to a designer (see: teleological argument). For example, if an archeologist finds a statue made of stone in a field, he may, ID proponents argue, justifiably conclude that the statue was designed, and then reasonably seek to identify the statue's designer. He would not, however, be justified in making the same claim if he found an irregularly shaped boulder of the same size.

The most commonly cited "signs of intelligence" include irreducible complexity, information mechanisms, and specified complexity. Design proponents argue that living systems show one or more of these, from which they infer that some aspects of life have been designed.

Intelligent design proponents say that while evidence pointing to the nature of an "intelligent cause or agent" may not be directly observable, its effects on nature can be detected. Dembski, in Signs of Intelligence, states: "Proponents of intelligent design regard it as a scientific research program that investigates the effects of intelligent causes. Note that intelligent design studies the effects of intelligent causes and not intelligent causes per se." In his view, one cannot test for the identity of influences exterior to a closed system from within, so questions concerning the identity of a designer fall outside the realm of the concept


You do not know what intelligent design is.

*Yawn* I'm tired, but someone must make you see the light...
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