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Creation Vs Evolution.
Topic Started: Feb 6 2006, 05:31 PM (7,964 Views)
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I don't really believe in evolution. I believe God created the Earth, the universe.

I agree.

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"Eye for eye...."

contradicts

"Turn the other cheek"


Give me the exact reference in the Bible where it says "Eye for eye."

Okay:

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Exodus 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.


And the other.

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But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you." (Matthew 5:38-42, NIV)
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Hodge, you agree? Tell me how you justify that.
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Exodus 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.


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Romans 12:19 Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.


We are supposed to turn the other cheek. Revenge is the Lords.
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And how did you work that one out?
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Exodus 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.


Looks like revenge is the husband's for now.

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Romans 12:19 Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.


What context is this taken out of? What exactly is happening to Jesus and his followers?
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HEATHENS, UNITE. Arguement against Creationilism:


Creation believes in 'Everything out of nothing', creatio ex nihilo. Patently wrong, for everything their has to something, a first clause, you may argue God was the first clause, maybe. Did he say "Let there be light" and there was light? If that was so, what was before that? Who said "Let there be God"?

There is a fundemental difference between the scientific method of doing things and the godmen's method of doing things. The scientific method uses observation, hypothesis and deductions to advance things, Predictions are testable by experimentation. If the theory is correct, it lives, if it is wrong, the paper shredder gets some work to do. In principle, the scientific method does not seek answers that fit a certain pre-determined conclusion, but rather works to construct viable, testable, and provable theories based on a solid evidential foundation. The evidential foundation therefore precludes any reference to revelation.

Creationists, on the other hand, work by taking the scriptures as their primary source of imformation. Effectively they already have the answer before the question. Their holy books take preminance as evidence, this is not the scientific method, it is a return to medievilism.

The genesis claims the world was created in 'six days' within the past ten thousand years. Patently absurd, it goes against everything from carbon dating to fossil records.

As for evolution, even if one does not take in the fossil record as evidence, we still have many examples of evolution within the past century. Tuskless Elephants, for example. Poachers favored to kill Elephants with large tusks, over time, cases of Elephants that grew without tusks increased, now they form a sizeble part of the general population. Or maybe Drug Resistant Bacteria? Samurai Crabs? Roaches? You name it, their evolving.
DNA analysis has proved we share 50% of our DNA with yeast, 98% with Chimps; certainly not looking good for special creation, does it? Or is mordern Biology all wrong?

"Any sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic" said HG Wells, and I agree.

"If you tell a lie big enough and often enough, it becomes the truth" Said Hitler, and I agree.
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Creation believes in 'Everything out of nothing', creatio ex nihilo. Patently wrong, for everything their has to something, a first clause, you may argue God was the first clause, maybe. Did he say "Let there be light" and there was light? If that was so, what was before that? Who said "Let there be God"?

Who said " Let there be a dot no bigger than a period that will explode and create the Universe?"
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There is a fundemental difference between the scientific method of doing things and the godmen's method of doing things. The scientific method uses observation, hypothesis and deductions to advance things, Predictions are testable by experimentation. If the theory is correct, it lives, if it is wrong, the paper shredder gets some work to do. In principle, the scientific method does not seek answers that fit a certain pre-determined conclusion, but rather works to construct viable, testable, and provable theories based on a solid evidential foundation. The evidential foundation therefore precludes any reference to revelation.

It has been proven many times that the tests were faulty and wrong, so, therefore, the paper shredder's working overtime.
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The genesis claims the world was created in 'six days' within the past ten thousand years. Patently absurd, it goes against everything from carbon dating to fossil records.

Again, those tests were faulty and wrong.
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DNA analysis has proved we share 50% of our DNA with yeast, 98% with Chimps; certainly not looking good for special creation, does it? Or is mordern Biology all wrong?

It means they all came from the same superior being, that is, God.
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"If you tell a lie big enough and often enough, it becomes the truth" Said Hitler, and I agree.

Darwin believed him too.
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Exodus 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.



Looks like revenge is the husband's for now.

By the Lord's permission.
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What context is this taken out of? What exactly is happening to Jesus and his followers?

Jesus has ascended into heaven after he died and rose again, and his disciples are being persecuted (much like today). This is from Romans, which is a letter from Paul being sent to the church in Rome.

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Again, those tests were faulty and wrong.

Everything can not be wrong. We are mountains of evidence here.

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It means they all came from the same superior being, that is, God.

Mmm... point. But you haven't explained recent evolution.

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Darwin believed him too.

Ouch.
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Read my post above your's, Hodge.

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It has been proven many times that the tests were faulty and wrong, so, therefore, the paper shredder's working overtime.


Sources?

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Again, those tests were faulty and wrong.


Sources?

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It means they all came from the same superior being, that is, God.


Sources?

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Darwin believed him too.


...HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. I'm not even going to say sources here, you have no source other than creationists who are angsty because evolution goes against the Bible.

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Jesus has ascended into heaven after he died and rose again, and his disciples are being persecuted (much like today). This is from Romans, which is a letter from Paul being sent to the church in Rome.


So uh...I'm looking for where this says

'God will deal with all problems of man.'

Looks like this is referring to Jesus' death, not revenge for man...
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It means they all came from the same superior being, that is, God.


That's a matter of faith, Krim.

Although, A link debunking 50 years of Geology will be nice, Hodge.

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Even if carbon dating is unreliable, it's easy to see that there has been an alteration through fossils, such as feathered dinosaurs in the process of evolving into birds. Even if carbon dating is unreliable and off by a grand sum, there is certainly without any shadow of a doubt fossils and rocks beyond ten thousand years old.

Or is evolution just a test so God can see who remains faithful? :)
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When, junk the genesis's date and say the fossils were but God's rejects in his quest to create sentinent humans... Whatever.

THE LINK, HODGE, THE LINK
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Why would God, omnipotent, forging humans in his own image, make a feathered dinosaur and then go 'oh, this has too many scales' and decide instead to make a flesh bag?

He'll most likely link to a creationist site like Ken Hovind, and then we'll waste another hour explaining why 'Dr. Dino' is a hack.
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You know, there's a math equation to measure the possibility of an omnipotent being. A spin off of the alien measuring equation (Can't remember the name right now), It calculated in the 70s%.
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...okay.
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