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| Topic Started: Feb 6 2006, 05:31 PM (7,956 Views) | |
| Post | Jul 3 2006, 02:58 PM Post #196 |
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If god knows what we are going to do, and we can do something else, he doesn't really know does he? Omniscience and Omnipotence are logically impossible.
*Sigh* The Bible is an religious account of historic events. Was Jesus the 'Son of God'? Maybe. Did he actually walk on water? Well...
Ah, so dinosaurs lived ten thousand years ago? |
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| Kibblediggit | Jul 3 2006, 03:05 PM Post #197 |
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Whoosh. I'll just go down the list. Regarding Average Lifespan: In the bible people lived for a very long time. Regarding the disproval of God: I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't assume that people would agree with you. Just because something makes sense, doesn't mean that it's right, especially if you're talking about religion. Are you sure he knows what choices you're going to take? How would you know anything about knowing everything? Maybe he knows what choices are available to you, and according to your past experience and general lifestyle, which ones you are most likely to pick. Evil? There's a Satan with one third of heaven on his side. Apparantely, he doesn't like God very much, so he runs around trying to seperate us from him. I don't think he likes us either. That's why there's so much evil. Regarding Death From Natural Causes: What if God made them less worse than they would have been? The Earth was created, and has physics. Evolution happened, gravity happens, earthquakes and that stuff happens. Nature has its own flow, and I don't think that it's "out to get us" but it could be set on its own course. Regarding Bible: The Bible is not reasonable proof of God. God is proof of God, and I can't see any one believing in him without that. @ post above: God isn't logical. |
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| Post | Jul 3 2006, 03:14 PM Post #198 |
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You can't beat the logic, Baby.
That is not Omniscience. Omniscience is concrete and absolute knowledge. And what if he does? In the end, he knows what choice you will make, therfore you can not make the other choice.
So Joshuba (Or whoever) lived a thousand years?
'God exists beyond the parimeters of mortal understanding and Logic' - Cardinal Josepf. By defintion, that does not makes sense. It means God is mad, The Bible is void. |
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| Kibblediggit | Jul 3 2006, 03:18 PM Post #199 |
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Regarding logic: No. Logic is logic. But God doesn't work around that sort of logic, ie: Walking on water, resurrection, healing, etc. Regarding....too lazy to spell: Or were you going to make that choice anyways? And even if God didn't exist, would you still have free will, or would your past actions develop and decide what your path was? Regarding age: Closer to four hundred, though two of 'em haven't died yet. Regarding quote: Just because you don't understand him doesn't mean that he's mad. |
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| Gladstone | Jul 3 2006, 03:26 PM Post #200 |
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There is no way he could have lived that long. |
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| Kibblediggit | Jul 3 2006, 03:27 PM Post #201 |
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Ghul
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God made it happen. |
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| Post | Jul 3 2006, 03:28 PM Post #202 |
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Higher Spirit
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You haven't a shred of evidence, physical or empirical that the ressurection happened. Or Walking on water for the matter. Your going to say it is a matter of faith. But the thing is faith is not proof.
Imagine your hungry, image two mouth watering pizza slices say on a table. Each within your grasp, each equidistance from you. Both exactly a mirror of each other. Which one do you eat first? Who knows? But if God existed, he would know. You do not have a choice.
Ooookkkaaaayyy...
Okay, I'm going to strap a bomb around my waist and blow up the petronas towers. God will provide a hundred virgins in Heaven. |
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| Gladstone | Jul 3 2006, 03:28 PM Post #203 |
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Sure. |
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| Post | Jul 3 2006, 03:32 PM Post #204 |
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What a PROOF FOR FREE WILL essay?
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| Kibblediggit | Jul 3 2006, 03:34 PM Post #205 |
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Going down the list again... Regarding proof: Of course I have no physical evidence. I told you that already. But the fact that I have no evidence doesn't stop God from existing, it only stops you from thinking he does. If I did have evidence I would've whipped it out at the beginning of this thread, and in several other places, and became famous. ...or something like that. I'm not going to say that it's a matter of faith though. Regarding choice: Having someone know what you're going to do is just having someone know what you're going to do. You would have done what you were going to do anyways. But really, I have no theories on free will. Regarding bomb: What point are you trying to make with your example? |
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| Post | Jul 3 2006, 03:38 PM Post #206 |
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Higher Spirit
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Face it; you only have faith left, you can't win via logic.
Free will, by defination, is only possible if there is not prior knowledge of the future.
Dunno... JIHAD!! GOD DECREES THAT THE AMERCICAN INFIDELS MUST DIE! |
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| Kibblediggit | Jul 3 2006, 03:43 PM Post #207 |
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Regarding logick: I can't win via logic. You know that and I know that. I never had logic in the first place. God and religion isn't logical by human standards. But what am I trying to win? Regarding free will: Define free will then? Regarding Death of Americans: Clever. |
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| Post | Jul 3 2006, 03:54 PM Post #208 |
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Higher Spirit
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Ninjaed. |
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| Post | Jul 3 2006, 03:54 PM Post #209 |
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The agruement of course. :P. Fall back on fanatic faith, that way it's the old frustrating stalemate.
The ability to control one's actions. And having no prior knowledge of any future actions.
I know. Can I declare victory now? |
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| Apocrypha | Jul 3 2006, 04:55 PM Post #210 |
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You can declare a double post. |
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