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Creation Vs Evolution.
Topic Started: Feb 6 2006, 05:31 PM (7,959 Views)
Luciene
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Phaos
Today, 05:39 PM
but his
reasoning is better

Hey!!! I'm a girl!

And I don't really think that God punishes, 'cause he a loving God rite? He gives us hardship so that we don't forget that we need him. Like when 9/11 happenned, so many people started going to church again. (not that it was good)

Edit: people have different opinions about what a perfect world would be like. Like what if two people both wanted something?
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Phaos
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If we lived in a perfect world, we would be oblivious to good and evil
like adam and eve were. and good point about satan. he's doin what ever
he feels like doing. ALthough i beleive that eventaully he will be
silenced and caught.

sorry about that luciene, I was thinking too hard about other things and didnt really think about what gender I was calling you. lol

In a perfect world, you wouldnt want anything, cause you would have only what you needed, and be happy about it. And even if the situation could arise, then the person would be like "No, you have it" "no you have it!" "No, I couldnt, you have it!"
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XD Actually, in this forum, you can't tell anyone's gender.

But if God loves everybody, does that include Satan?
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Phaos
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*shrugs*
Ive actaully wondered about that too, im not sure. I know that he did
love him until he started disagreeing with him. But after that, Im not
sure. I mean, satan is dragging the rest of his children away from him,
god has a lot of reason to not love him. But I think that god still
loves him, maybe in a differetn sort of way though.


IM AN IMP!

Im leaving for a week, so I better add my 2 cents in before I leave....
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If gods an army of the most trained and hardened warriors ever. Satan is a 2 year old with a squirt gun.


no clue where that came from, im just bored :ninja2: :ninja2: :ninja2: :ninja2: :ninja2: :ninja2: :ninja2: :ninja2: :krim:
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2 year old. Squirt Gun. :good:
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But if we lived in a perfect wolrd, would we be happier? Or will we always find something that's wrong?

In a perfect world nothing would be wrong, it would just be perfect.
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The problem would be it's perfect. :yes:
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What are you people rambling about now? I thought '4 pages of people debating, hope they have some good arguments'. No, you guys are rambling about nothing coherent. Most of the offered proof of God such as creationists claims can be explained with science, just google

'so-and-so theory is incorrect'

or something along those lines, and you'll get an explanation probably 100% of the time.

And I think I saw a 'point' about 'so many people believed, can you just disregard that'. Uh...so?

So, if we have free will, and God is omnipotent, he already knows what we're going to do, which rather destroys the point. Or else he doesn't fit the quota.

:krim:

Are we going to argue factual information such as creationist points vrs. evolutionist points, or are we going to talk about Satan and free will, which don't apply to this thread, really?

Because if it's the latter, I'm going to have to hug Luciene.
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What are you people rambling about now? I thought '4 pages of people debating, hope they have some good arguments'. No, you guys are rambling about nothing coherent.

Aye, same here.

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Creation believes in 'Everything out of nothing', creatio ex nihilo. Patently wrong, for everything their has to something, a first clause, you may argue God was the first clause, maybe. Did he say "Let there be light" and there was light? If that was so, what was before that? Who said "Let there be God"?

There is a fundemental difference between the scientific method of doing things and the godmen's method of doing things. The scientific method uses observation, hypothesis and deductions to advance things, Predictions are testable by experimentation. If the theory is correct, it lives, if it is wrong, the paper shredder gets some work to do. In principle, the scientific method does not seek answers that fit a certain pre-determined conclusion, but rather works to construct viable, testable, and provable theories based on a solid evidential foundation. The evidential foundation therefore precludes any reference to revelation.

Creationists, on the other hand, work by taking the scriptures as their primary source of imformation. Effectively they already have the answer before the question. Their holy books take preminance as evidence, this is not the scientific method, it is a return to medievilism.

The genesis claims the world was created in 'six days' within the past ten thousand years. Patently absurd, it goes against everything from carbon dating to fossil records.

As for evolution, even if one does not take in the fossil record as evidence, we still have many examples of evolution within the past century. Tuskless Elephants, for example. Poachers favored to kill Elephants with large tusks, over time, cases of Elephants that grew without tusks increased, now they form a sizeble part of the general population. Or maybe Drug Resistant Bacteria? Samurai Crabs? Roaches? You name it, their evolving.
DNA analysis has proved we share 50% of our DNA with yeast, 98% with Chimps; certainly not looking good for special creation, does it? Or is mordern Biology all wrong?

"Any sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic" said HG Wells, and I agree.

"If you tell a lie big enough and often enough, it becomes the truth" Said Hitler, and I agree.


Debunk this Hodge, and we'll talk.

God does not exist in the classical sense, when are you going to accept that?
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Yes, true there.
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OKay, I'll take that as proof your with us not Hodge.
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My head hurts from having to read so much. u_u

"So, if we have free will, and God is omnipotent, he already knows what we're going to do, which rather destroys the point. Or else he doesn't fit the quota." (Too lazy to do the quote html)

If the question doesn't make sense then the answer won't either. There can't be free will and a designated path at the same time.
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If the question doesn't make sense then the answer won't either. There can't be free will and a designated path at the same time.

Not true, it a matter of choice; you can choose to kill yourself right now and be done with it. But you don't. You can simply pick up the kitchen knife and brutally murder your annoying parents. But you won't.

If you are presented two choices, to a vast degree it's predictable what you will pick.
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That's not what I meant. Free will and paths. If you were created to be, say, a Truck Driver and that was your path, then would you really have free will in the end? I think God can predict things, and maybe try to stop stuff like mass homicide, but he doesn't choose your path for you. Predictable and free will are two different things.

Tell me if I'm not on the right track though, because I think I may have mistranslated your post.
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*Sigh* The whole point of this thread is CreationVsEvolution, whether god exists or not. Prove to me god exists.


As for your post: A rat in a cage also has free will, but can it control it's own destiny? No. Same principle here.
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